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28-10-11, 19:08
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Horizonal vs Vertical also a production date issue
Not to confuse things, but I believe there is a production date change over from vertically mount and horizontal.
There is an old thread on this topic that I have not found but I'll look some more. Hard to see in the attached photo but from left to right: 1942 C60S vertical pin 1945 HUP horizontal pin 1941 C60L vertical pin Now Fords maybe a completely different breed of cat. Cheers Phil
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28-10-11, 19:25
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Chev D rings
Phil, I have always believed that the C8A had rings of a different orientation than heavier Chev CMPs (but I'm not sure of the C8) due to different mounts between bumper and frame and that this was something of an identification point if you could only see the front end of the vehicle. Rob Clarke keeps telling us that we shouldn't criticise HUPs based on their orientation......
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28-10-11, 22:09
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Grant you maybe correct
Hi Grant
Found the earlier thread http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7277 , and I looked through a large number of photos in my collection which covered Pattern 11 through late Pattern 13 and I did find pictures of horizontal mounted towing Ds (after reading Graeme's post) on some 15cwt and all HUPs (C8). Cheers Phil
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28-10-11, 22:59
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How about C15s
Like this one:
 Or this:  Or this one at the Australian Army's test facility at Monegeeta:  Or the one from the Chevrolet maintenance manual: 
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28-10-11, 23:54
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Nz
Heres another New Zealand example and also that elusive front mounted spare tire. I suspect mounting the spare there would save considerable effort over lifting the wheel from the body and provide some added front end protection for that steering column.
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29-10-11, 03:00
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Grant point is appropriate....
The positioning or orientation of the "D" rings has been predicated by the design of the frame/bumper connection.
The HUP ...C8 and 2 wheel drive C15 all had a different style/size frame.... borrowed from the civilian design...... and it made it difficult to mount the D rings vertical......except on the C 15a C30 and C 60 The Ford series is another issue..... the positioning of the grill guard made the D ring attachment different...... I even have a "raw" D ring casting or I should say forging that Old Jeff gave me some years ago..... the ring has not been drilled and neither of the four bolt holes on the mounting plate.... it still has a tag attached as design model or some such mention. On the Chev models I have seen some forging with a raised...1/8 of an inch.... surface where the 4 bolt holes are....almost like a thick washer .... while others have a flush finish..... don't know the significance.... Bob
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