105mm C1 howitzer

[rob love]

The recoil mech was Otis elevator, while the carriage was made by Sorel Industries in Quebec. Both companies had done wartime artillery work, Sorel primarily with the 25 pdr, and Otis with the 40mm bofors.

One shield showed a CFR number of 34110, while the other shows 13 field battery (Portage la Prairie, which is part of 36 field regiment). I'll have to check the CFR history and see if anything still exists on this gun. Other markings found included the FMC decal, and another artillery marking with the letters "AB"

[rob love]

I return to Kandahar in a few days, so everything is being tucked away for the upcoming winter. Before any of it goes together, the easter egg hunt must begin. While the major parts were there, I will need to find all the little bits and pieces like the various brass bushings, castellated nuts, gear box covers, wheel bearings, brake shoes, seals, hub caps....Oh yeah, of course I will also still need the two things that make it a cannon: the barrel and a complete breech ring. If anyone has a line on any of the above, especially if it's located in Canada, please shoot me a line. Cut barrels or breech rings are fine, I am not trying to make a shooter.

[Dan Martel]

Originally Posted by rob love

The recoil mech was Otis elevator, while the carriage was made by Sorel Industries in Quebec. Both companies had done wartime artillery work, Sorel primarily with the 25 pdr, and Otis with the 40mm bofors.

One shield showed a CFR number of 34110, while the other shows 13 field battery (Portage la Prairie, which is part of 36 field regiment). I'll have to check the CFR history and see if anything still exists on this gun. Other markings found included the FMC decal, and another artillery marking with the letters "AB"

Rob,

While I don't know anything about artillery pieces I can identify all of the tactical markings that you have mentioned.

The '13' on the red-over-blue artillery arm-of-service tactical flash is not for the 13th Field Battery. The number '13' was the number allocated for the senior Field Regiment of an Infantry Division. As all of the brigades in the Canadian Army were non-divisional independent brigade groups, every Field Regiment used the tactical number '13.'

The Mobile Command decal came into use after April 1, 1966, when Mobile Command took control of all the Army field forces in Canada after the demise of the old geographical commands.

The 'AB' refers to which Troop in the Regiment the gun belonged to. The letter 'A' refers to the senior Troop in the senior Battery. The letter 'B' refers to it being the second gun of the Troop. Example, the senior Troop had guns sequentially lettered from 'AA' to 'AD' while the second Troop had their guns lettered 'BA' to 'BD.' The junior Troop of the junior Battery would have had their guns lettered 'FA' to FD.'

As to Sorel Industries, I know that they built all of the 155mm howitzers used by the post-war Canadian artillery and I'm pretty certain they produced all of the 105mm howitzers as well.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,
Dan.

[rob love]

Dan
Great information. So the gun could have belonged to A battery 1 RCHA, prior to them going over to the M109.

Hopefully a check on the CFR history may lead to more information.

I believe Sorel may have built all the Cdn built 105s, but the Cdn 105 fleet was a mix of Cdn and some American built guns. I have seen a few carriages made by pullman, and recall an article on the C1/C3 project which mentioned US made guns.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

Dan
Great information. So the gun could have belonged to A battery 1 RCHA, prior to them going over to the M109.

Hopefully a check on the CFR history may lead to more information.

I believe Sorel may have built all the Cdn built 105s, but the Cdn 105 fleet was a mix of Cdn and some American built guns. I have seen a few carriages made by pullman, and recall an article on the C1/C3 project which mentioned US made guns.

Rob, do you need a CFR check on the EDR Viewer?

[rob love]

Scotty
Yes please. I only get the basic info off the one in KAF. For some reasin it does not let me go into depth.

[Scott Bentley]

Originally Posted by rob love

Scotty
Yes please. I only get the basic info off the one in KAF. For some reasin it does not let me go into depth.

CFR List

As of 25-JUL-11

Formation : -

Unit : -

Disposal Status : ALL

Year Number HUIC Holding Unit ERN ERN Description
1950 34002* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34003* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34005* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34006* 3536* ASU Toronto 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34007* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34008* 3536* ASU Toronto 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34010* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34015* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34017* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34018* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34019* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34020* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34023* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34028* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34033* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34034* 6428* CFB/ASU Wainwright 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34035* 0002* CFSU (Ottawa) 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34036* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34037* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34038* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34040* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34041* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34042* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34043* 0139* CFS St John's 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34044* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34046* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34050* 3536* ASU Toronto 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34051* 0139* CFS St John's 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34057* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34059* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34062* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34064* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34103* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34106* 1735* 5 RALC 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34108* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34114* 0113* CFB Borden 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34115* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34118* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34121* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34122* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34123* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34125* 0105* CFB/ASU Gagetown 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34128* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34134* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34136* 1763* 1 RCHA 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34137* 1763* 1 RCHA 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34143* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34144* 0002* CFSU (Ottawa) 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34148* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34149* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34154* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34155* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34159* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34162* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34164* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34165* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34166* 2683* METC 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34170* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34176* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34178* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34180* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34192* 0106* CFB/ASU Valcartier 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34205* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34217* 1852* 2 R22ER 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34218* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34225* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34227* 1760* RCA School 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34228* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34232* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34237* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34240* 0107* CFB/ASU Petawawa 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34243* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34246* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34249* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34266* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34269* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34279* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34280* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34285* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34291* 1985* 202 Wksp 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34292* 1763* 1 RCHA 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34294* 0118* CFB/ASU Shilo 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34297* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34299* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34302* 0002* CFSU (Ottawa) 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34305* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34308* 0100* CFB Halifax 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34312* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34314* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34316* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34320* 1941* 25 CFSD 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 34327* 0002* CFSU (Ottawa) 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 95602* 2683* METC 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 95603* 0113* CFB Borden 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 95604* 2683* METC 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED
1950 95605* 1445* DRDC Suffield 71200000* 1950 DND 105MMC1 HOWITZER EQPT LT TOWED


Rob, is this the right list? Your CFR is not listed.

[rob love]

Right list. I suspect mine was PCC'd in the late 60s/early 70s so may not be on the data base. Thanks for checking though.
Mine will be a mix mash of the 3 guns that were in the scrap yard. In the end, the CFR from the shield may not be relevant to the carriage number anyway. I'll have to check with a friend in higher office and see if any historic data exists on the guns.