cant believe this post... im looking for an iltis

[KrisHamilton]

i dont understand how Canada ever went with a jeep from Germany!

[rob love]

Pretty much all the vehicles after the MLVW were of european descent. The Iltis, the LSVW (Iveco), the HLVW (Steyr) and then the G wagon all replaced North American type cehicles with varying degrees of success. The armoured AHSVS (Mercedes armoured 10 ton) also replaced armoured North American built highway tractors in Afghanistan, and are looked at with envy from several different countries, the US included.

About the only real lemon in the bunch is perhaps the LSVW, which was chosen for the military, and not by the military.

The only real exception to his is the new MLVW replacement

[Gordon Yeo]

Given that the MUTT had too be replaced and Canada needed a light reconnaissance vehicle, how many choices of vehicles could they pick from. At that time the Goverment was trying to have military vehicles assembled in Canada. That would shorten the list of available choices, perhaps the Iltis was the "best" deal they could get.

[rob love]

Mutts were actually on the short list at the time. A later version had the CF choosing the best 600 Mutts, and replacing only the M38A1s. In the end, it went to all Iltis as we know.

The old MLVW bulletins covered a lot of the Iltis procurement stages. I have most of the set downstairs. Interesting reading.

[KrisHamilton]

ok given that there are not many of the iltis jeeps floating around, i still think its a little ridiculous if the price one day sky rockets into vintage land rover prices , which i see happening

[Marc Montgomery]

re Iltis prices, notice two M38a1s currently on the net apparently a Cdn 2 and a Cdn 3 (listed as a 1975 model?!) unrestored but appear from the photos to be in good shape
listed @ 5600 $ and @ 7500 $

reference comparison to Iltis prices

[chris vickery]

Kris, I never see the price of Iltis skyrocketting as you say...
Yes there are fewer of them around than the comparative M38A1 series jeeps.

Another point is that an Iltis is not a Jeep, nor should it be referred to as one. Collectors should be knowledgeable enough to realize a difference from the ideology of the general public and their perception that every small 4 wheeled mv is a Jeep...

Another thing that I must point out is this; rarity does not equal value in all cases. While rarity does factor into the value equation, collectability and condition actually plays a bigger part.

If I may illustrate this with an example;
An old baseball card that is very rare because the player was a no-name who never went anywhere in the League and is in tattered and torn condition is almost worthless. Why?
1) who was this guy and what did he do?
2) does anyone care?
3) how many were made?
4) the condition is terrible
5) has a price precident been set on like examples?

I would consider the old AMC Pacer to be relatively "rare" as well but don't see too many around, let alone be highly sought after by car collectors either...