MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Carrier Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21-06-04, 22:33
Andrew Morrison Andrew Morrison is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 31
Default

Have some background information on the British use of Air Cleaners that might be of interest.

This is from a report titled Armoured Fighting Vehicles in the Mediterranean Theatre 1939 - 1945. It was completed in 1945 based on Mediterraneen Area AFV Technical reports nos 1 to 27, covering Libya and Italy from 1939 to 1945:

As a result of unfortunate experiences near Mersa Matruth in 1935, during the Abyssinan crisis the British Army were alive to the dust menance and was provided with fairly effective air cleaners for its vehicles. These were the 'concertina type' and consisted of a series of felt rings sewn together along their inner and outer peripheries to form a concertina-like tube. One end was closed and the other connected by pipe to the carburettor intake. All aspirated air had to pass through the felt and periodical cleaning was effected by pumping the concertina and thus blowing the accumulated dust off the outer surface.

For ordinary use these cleaners were reasonably effective but it was found that the finest type of alluvial dust would pass the felt and thus led to oil contimination and heavy cylinder wear.

In consequence, the M.E. authorities condemed the felt element type of cleaner anf themselves began various experiments with oil-bath types. Despite the inventors fondness for his child, none of these locally made cleaners proved in the long run to be really satisfactory, mainly owing to oil carry-over and it was not until the vokes 2-stage cleaner was introduced on Crusader that the situation was brought properly under control.

The objection to the simple type of oil bath cleaner such as fitted to the Matilda and some Valentine was that on test, it did not give as high an efficiency figure as the felt element pattern and, furthermore, when the oil became saturated with dust it ceased to clean and gave no warning of having done so.

The Vokes 2-stage cleaner put an end to the argument and was generally accepted as the best to date. This appliance consists of an initial vortex which deposits the larger granules by centrifugal action: the air then passes over a succession of weirs in an oil bath which trap the finer grains. The efficiency was high and there was little or no trouble from oil carry-over. However, such was the volume of dust which had to be dealt with that these cleaners required clearing every 50 miles.

An interesting sidelight of this period was the capture of an enemy document in which the writer complained about the oil bath cleaners fitted to German tanks and asked why they could not have something similar to the excellent felt cleaners used by the British.

U.S tanks all had oil-bath cleaners of varying degrees of efficieny, the precise merits being somewhat obscured by commercial propoganda on the part of theatre representatives of the manufacturing firms.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 16-02-14, 21:06
Dusonn's Avatar
Dusonn Dusonn is offline
Dusan Klavik
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 184
Default Vokes oil bath air filter

In behalf of PetrB:
"Here are few pics of "Vokes oil bath filter" as used on the later carriers (and mine). The whole inside surface is tinned.
Hopefuly could be useful."
Attached Images
File Type: jpg vokes1.jpg (66.6 KB, 12 views)
File Type: jpg vokes2.jpg (46.0 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg vokes3.jpg (62.8 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg vokes4.jpg (71.6 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg vokes5.jpg (96.3 KB, 5 views)
__________________
Czechoslovak Army 1915-1945. Czechoslovak Independent Armored Brigade Group in Great Britain, Czechoslovak Army in Middle East.

1938 Standard Flying 12 Staff Car
1943? Ford FGT cab.13 project
180 gall WWII water bowser project
1942 Fordson WOT8 project

www.rotanazdar.cz
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 16-02-14, 21:07
Dusonn's Avatar
Dusonn Dusonn is offline
Dusan Klavik
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 184
Default

More pics of the Vokes filter
Attached Images
File Type: jpg vokes6.jpg (74.6 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes7.jpg (55.2 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg vokes8.jpg (62.5 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg vokes9.jpg (67.3 KB, 7 views)
File Type: jpg vokes10.jpg (44.8 KB, 6 views)
__________________
Czechoslovak Army 1915-1945. Czechoslovak Independent Armored Brigade Group in Great Britain, Czechoslovak Army in Middle East.

1938 Standard Flying 12 Staff Car
1943? Ford FGT cab.13 project
180 gall WWII water bowser project
1942 Fordson WOT8 project

www.rotanazdar.cz
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 02-01-16, 19:28
Petr Brezina Petr Brezina is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 547
Default

Hi, got another pattern of Vokes air filter, so here are the pictures for reference.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg vokes_02.jpg (109.2 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_03.jpg (113.4 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_04.jpg (113.3 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_05.jpg (96.0 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_06.jpg (82.4 KB, 4 views)
__________________
UCw Mk.III
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 02-01-16, 19:30
Petr Brezina Petr Brezina is online now
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: Czech Republic
Posts: 547
Default

More pictures
Attached Images
File Type: jpg vokes_09.jpg (97.3 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_10.jpg (118.9 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_11.jpg (97.0 KB, 5 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_12.jpg (92.0 KB, 4 views)
File Type: jpg vokes_13.jpg (92.1 KB, 5 views)
__________________
UCw Mk.III
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 02-01-16, 20:40
Lynn Eades Lynn Eades is offline
Bluebell
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Tauranga, New Zealand
Posts: 5,541
Default

I have one like the last one, but the outlet (same shape) is held to the filter housing by a single bolt going through at the little flat into a "bar" that has a threaded hole at its centre, that sits across the hole inside the filter housing.
Make sense?
I believe the Loyd filter is the same, with a different shaped (and longer) outlet.
Nice pictures guys. Thank you for posting.
__________________
Bluebell

Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
So many questions....
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 04-01-16, 05:06
jeff davis's Avatar
jeff davis jeff davis is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: maple ridge b.c
Posts: 537
Default Carrier filter

Hey thanks for the reply .i knew someone would come through .
Unfortunately a little late looking at photos and this resembles some parts that went to the scrapers .
Regards
Jeff
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 04-01-16, 12:06
ajmac's Avatar
ajmac ajmac is offline
Alastair McMurray
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Lincoln, England
Posts: 434
Default

Yes the majority of Loyds had the Vokes oil bath type, however the early TPCs and TS&Cs did have the steel tube version with cotton element which this post originally talked about.

I am on the look out for a Vokes to fit the Loyd.
__________________
Alastair
Lincoln, UK.


Under Restoration:
1944 No2 MK2 Loyd Carrier - Tracked Towing
1944 Ford WOT6 Lorry


The Loyd on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 11:31.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016