Convoy Axle Light

[RichardT10829]

they bolt onto the tool plate with a bracket....that chap who is selling all the carrier stuff has a mk2 setup for sale he has a picture of the unit. i think they mounted the same on the mk1 and mk2 (on the tool plate) but were different where the rear light mounted....hope this helps.

if i recall it appeared to be two bolts through the tool plate into the mount for the lamp.

[Jordan Baker]

Here are the pics of a Cnd one. Bruce Parker and I came to the conclusion that these may have been added at some point late in the Mk1* production or done as an "add on" sometime after.

Pics are from the ebay auction.

[kevin powles]

hi, That ebay one shows the goose neck and 3/4" conduit which is correct, but is that a true canadian carrier light fitting?. Anyone got any other images of the correct canadian type?.

kev.

[Local Chap]

Originally Posted by kevin powles

hi, That ebay one shows the goose neck and 3/4" conduit which is correct, but is that a true canadian carrier light fitting?. Anyone got any other images of the correct canadian type?.

kev.

The Canadian Carrier lamp is the same type fitted to Cab 11/12 CMPs:

[rob love]

Kevin and Richard: I can send it over for a spell I suppose. I'll PM you later Kevin.

[shaun]

This photo is from Derks website, its the same as the old one i had on my MK2* on the rear

[rob love]

I removed the bracket, straightened it up, and gave it a quick spray. I also repaired one broken weld. It came out reasonable. It was hard to tell is it was 100% if the angle is correct, but I put a bend on the feet which would point the lamp down wards. Tomorrow I'll make a drawing of it for someone who asked, then prepare to mail the lamp overseas. Quite frankly, it is a fairly simple bracket once it's straightened out. I'll post the drawing and you fellows from the old world can decide if you want to borrow the original or can live with the drawing.

Looking at the various Ford CMP truck parts manuals I cannot find the proper lamp portions that matches the carrier parts. Note the tail light is a mix of carrier part numbers and truck part numbers. My truck parts manuals seem to skip around parts ID' as C01Q-13422, and 13423, although a number of the parts listed in the carrier manual are relevant to the truck lamp shown in my photos. Also a stock truck tail lamp will not fit in the hole. The hole would have to be made larger to accommodate it.

Anyway, here are some shots of the restored bracket and the small clip to hold the cable in place. Even the clip is dated and has a part number on it. Unfortunately I broke the little #2 cheeshead screw that holds it in place.

I recall finding the bracket and switch for this lamp before as well. It was bolted onto the top edge of the axle armour plate.

[RichardT10829]

jordan do you reckon that fitting on the end is original ? it kinda looks household but having never seen one i cant say yey or ney ?

here is the images from the parts catalogue pages 352 and 353

Mk1*



Mk2*

[Jordan Baker]

Your last picture you posted shows this part. The part # ends with a "B" so there was probably more then one kind of light socket. This picture looks more like the CMP rear diff light. But again that would make sense as the CMP trucks moved away from the rubber housing to metal housings for the tail lights.

As for the light socekt. Yes it looks original. The socket is the same style as my original tail lamp.

[Lynn Eades]

I have one stamped with the "B-WD-AFI" which is the same as one in your picture Kevin, but it is different.

[Richard Farrant]

Originally Posted by Lynn Eades

I have one stamped with the "B-WD-AFI" which is the same as one in your picture Kevin, but it is different.

Yours is the Butler lamp and Kevin's parts list is showing a Lucas, like a lot of British wartime vehicles, they could have either makes when in service ( same with head, side and tail lamps).

[Lynn Eades]

I think the bulb holder in Jordans middle picture is the same as the one in the early rubber tail light.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

they bolt onto the tool plate with a bracket....that chap

if i recall it appeared to be two bolts through the tool plate into the mount for the lamp.

The bracket I have shown was mounted on the inside of the back plate using the two bolts used for the bottom of the right hand tow rope bracket.

[jeff davis]

It would be great if you could do a drawing and post it.
Regards Jeff

[rob love]

I knew I had one around here somewhere, and as I was looking through an old bin of gunparts downstairs, there it was. This is the proper lamp for the carriers. It is a combination of the standard truck lamp (the tube, spring and lense) used with a bushing, then the smaller diameter electrical connector as well as a nut and some lock washers.

The bushing almost looks like the type used on conduit.

On one of the photos I have gone high tech and drawn the part numbers relevant to each piece from the manual. There is a lock washer on this that is not listed.

[Jordan Baker]

Thanks Rob

So is the light socket part the same on both ends?

Also thanks for straigtening out the cover, Those last pictures made much more sense then the first ones to me.

[rob love]

Yes, although it may not look it by my photo. The rubber plug that would have little spring loaded springs is presently pushed too far to the back. When centered it should have a mirror image, just enough to accept the small 6 volt bulb with two contacts. The armoured cable that attaches to it would also have the same two pin contact.

If you look back at that ebay convoy conduit and cable, you will see the two pin plug attached to the same socket (13419 with nut 13423) that I have right now. The only thing that one of ebay needs now is the washer, the adapter, and the remainder of a regular truck lamp.

[kevin powles]

Robe, Great stuff, another mystery solved.

Kevin.

[kevin powles]

Finished making three bellmouth fittings today, there are two of these on a Mk1 carrier, one for finishing the conduit end of to the rear convoy light switch and one for the horn on the front plate. The one in the middle is the original.

Also made a brake rod spring from an original one, made from spring steel.


kevin.

[Jordan Baker]

Trying to figure out the wiring of the tail light and the convoy light with the rear switch.

I think I got it "right" in my picture I drew up. Any input is much appreciated.

[kevin powles]

Hi Jordan, Brian Asbury once sold a rear tail light wire (short piece of wire with crimps on) I bought two of these a while back but have not figured out how its supposed to be wired into the circuit, Are you familiar with this wire?, not sure if he still sells them.

A couple of pics of the rear light switch from BP's carrier. If you click on the light switch first pic and zoom in you can see how the switch is supposed to be labelled.

kev.