Early war gun tractors

[serge]

Hello

In a previous post , HANNO tells that on CAB 12 made by CHEVROLET the air vent had a circular shape while on FORD cab 12 the air vent were made with horizontal slide. I think that is truth on most trucks but I own a pic of a F60H with cab numer 12 and circular air vent.
Are the circular air vent generalized on CHEVY and horizontal slide air vent generalized on FORD?
Regards

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by serge

In a previous post , HANNO tells that on CAB 12 made by CHEVROLET the air vent had a circular shape while on FORD cab 12 the air vent were made with horizontal slide. I think that is truth on most trucks but I own a pic of a F60H with cab numer 12 and circular air vent.
Are the circular air vent generalized on CHEVY and horizontal slide air vent generalized on FORD?

Hello Serge,

Seeing the picture, I now understand the question you sent by e-mail. I have no explanation why a Ford cab would have circular air vents instead of the slotted ones they left the factory with. I guess possible explanations are:
1) when the truck was manufactured, there was a temporary shortage of cab parts and a Chevrolet radiator surround was fitted.
2) this F60H was damaged and a Chevrolet radiator surround was used to repair it;
Here's hoping someone comes up with a better explanation!

Regards,
Hanno

[Bob Carriere]

From the factory Ford had what the hot rodders call "louvres" or slits cut horizontal and Chev had circular screen covered round holes.

Nothing would prevent sheet metal from being swapped in forward repair stations or due to shipping losses assembled in England or Australia with what was available.

There is evidence of mix and match pieces on Ford archival pictures.... supporting the F15a with various GM front axles or even both axles being GM on a Ford..... evidence of hatches round and square being mixed as well as cab 11 with opening windshield of a cab 12.........

Almost anything is possible.... we have to remember that this was a planned parts flexibility when they asked Ford and GM to cooperate in designing the CMP.

How else can we explain the late 1944 Aussie PE 197-12 contracts that a week apart had circular guages in one and 1940 instrument clusters in the other..... or was it local workshop changes....

Bob

[CWO (ret) Gilles Aubé]

The Artillery Trailer No.24 Mark I, I have never seen one, the only thing I have is the 18 Pounder Ordonance Q.F. 25 Pr Mark I on Carriages, 25/18 Pr handbook.
This manual is dated 1940 and it only show the attached plate for the No.24.
If someone has picture or image of the No.24. 25. & 29 trailer please poste them.
UBIQUE

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

The Chevrolet GT at the top is obviously a # 12 cab, so was 1941/2 delivery. I am sure that the census numnber appears to start with an 'L' instead of an 'H'? The number seems to then '454' ETC. That would fit into:

H 4546194 to 4546693 supplied under S/M 2020 and also 2028/ British contract V/4299, which would have meant assembly in he UK.

[chrisgrove]

Guys

I will see what I have on these various artillery trailers, but it may take me a while to get organised!

Never say never! In the course of looking up some pics of the No 24 trailer, I came across a pic of (according to the caption) Canadian gunners training on the Martin Parry conversion of the pole trail 18 pounder - and the limbers are clearly the No 27. Mix and match was obviously the order of the day!

Chris

[chrisgrove]

Hi guys

If this works, you ought to see, or at least get a link to, some pics of the No 24 limber. As far as I can ascertain, this was in fact the first 25 pounder limber, thus the gun behind it should be an 18/25 pounder. However, numerous pics are captioned as 18 pounders. It is very hard (to me) to tell the difference on some of the versions, so I am not entirely sure!

Please note, I got all mixed up and called it the No 23 limber sometimes, and since it is on CD, I can't change it!

Chris

http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...berno23-03.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...berno23-02.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...berNo24-01.jpg
http://i126.photobucket.com/albums/p...berno23-04.jpg

[Keith Webb]

It rather looks like an elongated mark on the print or negative to me.

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Hello Serge,

Seeing the picture, I now understand the question you sent by e-mail. I have no explanation why a Ford cab would have circular air vents instead of the slotted ones they left the factory with. I guess possible explanations are:
1) when the truck was manufactured, there was a temporary shortage of cab parts and a Chevrolet radiator surround was fitted.
2) this F60H was damaged and a Chevrolet radiator surround was used to repair it;
Here's hoping someone comes up with a better explanation!

Regards,
Hanno

[Rich Payne]

This image is on eBay at the moment. It certainly seems to have a 'France 1940' feel to it and the Morris census number probably dates it to very early 1940.

The Arm of Service marking indicates an RA Field Regt. Is the formation sign that of 1st Canadian Division ? If so, I assume this is quite an unusual photograph.

[Les Freathy]

Early model Morris CDSW