Early war gun tractors

[chrisgrove]

I think you will find this is a No 29 artillery trailer or limber. for the 18 pounder. The No 24 was longer than this one and was the first limber for the 25 pounder, though normally seen with 18/25 pounders. However, this gun is a Martin Parry conversion (to pneumatic tyres) of the old, pole trail, version of the 18 pounder, so no way can it be an 18/25!

Everyone knows the No 27 limber, seen on almost every 25 pdr pic, but WWII saw also the Nos 24 (25 pdr), 26 and 30 (4.5 How), 29 (18 pdr) and another for the 3.7 How whose number I have not been able to work out. Some were just pneumatic tyred versions of the horse drawn originals (like the No 29).

Interesting pics. I wish you could see the gun behind the limber on the FWD!

Chris

[Keith Brooker]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

Interesting pics. I wish you could see the gun behind the limber on the FWD!

Close up of the limber, you can just see a part of the gun.

[cliff]

Originally Posted by chrisgrove

Everyone knows the No 27 limber, seen on almost every 25 pdr pic, but WWII saw also the Nos 24 (25 pdr), 26 and 30 (4.5 How), 29 (18 pdr) and another for the 3.7 How whose number I have not been able to work out. Some were just pneumatic tyred versions of the horse drawn originals (like the No 29).

Chris (or anybody) would you happen to have photos or drawings of the different numbered limbers you name above? As you say the #27 limber for the 25lbder was the one most seen but I have rarely if ever seen the others.

Thanks for the info about them

[Yeo.NT]

I would date this a little later then 1939/40 becuse it would appear the CGT is a 12 cab. If you look close enough you can see the split of the hood

[Bob Carriere]

.... the external side expansion tank only appeared on cab 12.... not the 11 unless retro fitted.

[serge]

Hello

In a previous post , HANNO tells that on CAB 12 made by CHEVROLET the air vent had a circular shape while on FORD cab 12 the air vent were made with horizontal slide. I think that is truth on most trucks but I own a pic of a F60H with cab numer 12 and circular air vent.
Are the circular air vent generalized on CHEVY and horizontal slide air vent generalized on FORD?
Regards

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by serge

In a previous post , HANNO tells that on CAB 12 made by CHEVROLET the air vent had a circular shape while on FORD cab 12 the air vent were made with horizontal slide. I think that is truth on most trucks but I own a pic of a F60H with cab numer 12 and circular air vent.
Are the circular air vent generalized on CHEVY and horizontal slide air vent generalized on FORD?

Hello Serge,

Seeing the picture, I now understand the question you sent by e-mail. I have no explanation why a Ford cab would have circular air vents instead of the slotted ones they left the factory with. I guess possible explanations are:
1) when the truck was manufactured, there was a temporary shortage of cab parts and a Chevrolet radiator surround was fitted.
2) this F60H was damaged and a Chevrolet radiator surround was used to repair it;
Here's hoping someone comes up with a better explanation!

Regards,
Hanno

[Bob Carriere]

From the factory Ford had what the hot rodders call "louvres" or slits cut horizontal and Chev had circular screen covered round holes.

Nothing would prevent sheet metal from being swapped in forward repair stations or due to shipping losses assembled in England or Australia with what was available.

There is evidence of mix and match pieces on Ford archival pictures.... supporting the F15a with various GM front axles or even both axles being GM on a Ford..... evidence of hatches round and square being mixed as well as cab 11 with opening windshield of a cab 12.........

Almost anything is possible.... we have to remember that this was a planned parts flexibility when they asked Ford and GM to cooperate in designing the CMP.

How else can we explain the late 1944 Aussie PE 197-12 contracts that a week apart had circular guages in one and 1940 instrument clusters in the other..... or was it local workshop changes....

Bob

[Keith Webb]

It rather looks like an elongated mark on the print or negative to me.

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Hello Serge,

Seeing the picture, I now understand the question you sent by e-mail. I have no explanation why a Ford cab would have circular air vents instead of the slotted ones they left the factory with. I guess possible explanations are:
1) when the truck was manufactured, there was a temporary shortage of cab parts and a Chevrolet radiator surround was fitted.
2) this F60H was damaged and a Chevrolet radiator surround was used to repair it;
Here's hoping someone comes up with a better explanation!

Regards,
Hanno