T16 and Bren carriers for sale on Milweb

[colin jones]

Hi David, what type of wheels has that carrier got as they look very unusual.
Colin.

[horsa]

Hey Colin,

It has the solid disc pattern wheels all around. They were produced at the same time that the curved spoke pattern came out to replace the straight pattern that only the very earliest production T-16s had.

The disc type are supposed to handle mud and snow build up better since it can't get packed up into any spokes. But so far nobody has found any documentation on any of the wheels in terms of what was going on with production and if certain vehicles were built one way or another for a particular reason. You see this type in some wartime T-16 photographs of Canadian troops in Holland and Germany in 1945.

A few years back there were WWII reenactors that selected this type T-16 for conversion to German armor since they needed running lower hulls with disc wheels for the look. Usually they put the driver at the rear so the drive sprockets would be in the front and then altered the steering linkage for the new short run. Somewhere on MLU there are photos and discussion of some of the conversions that came out looking pretty cool.

[kevin powles]

Hi, I went and saw an old boy a year or so back to buy some carrier wheels off him, he had once restord a T16 that came out of the pounds scrap yard. We got talking about T16 wheels and he told me they produced the solid disc type to prevent sabotage from the enemy, apparently you could disable the vehicle by putting iron rods through the wheels jamming he tracks, he was about 90 years old and seemed to know what he was taliking about.

this could be the reason?.

[horsa]

Anything is possible. Its too bad that so much of the history has been lost, or at least temporarily misplaced. For T-16s with solid disc wheels, I know of three people personally that have them in complete sets on their vehicles. Ray in New York, Dan in New Mexico and Brennon here in Texas. Sure there are a lot more out there.

On the wheels, there were at least four variations that we know of. The straight spoke, curved spoke and solid disc we mentioned. But there are actually two patterns of curved spoke wheels. Some have a casting on the back that is a raised projection which we've been told is used to help sling mud and snow buildup off before it can harden up on the spokes which can cause issues with the tracks and sprocket. Some of the T-16s also have ice scrapers on the rear at the back.

One other good thing about the solid disc wheels is they can be reversed to allow presentation of the side with the best rubber and metal surface area. Guess this is possible with the straight spokes as well. My carrier has curved spokes so flipping one around would look really odd.

[RichardT10829]

Pablo50cal has solid wheels on his carrier (resides in Argentina) This carrier is now advertised on John Bizal's website, being sold with another one (more complete.. as a pair) $12000 for the pair.......bargain if you ask me !

http://www.midwestmil.com/2T16salep1.html

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by RichardT10829

Pablo50cal has solid wheels on his carrier (resides in Argentina) This carrier is now advertised on John Bizal's website, being sold with another one (more complete.. as a pair) $12000 for the pair.......bargain if you ask me !

http://www.midwestmil.com/2T16salep1.html

Those are sold, apparently, but there's another one offered for sale: http://www.midwestmilitary.net/T16salep1.html

This is an excellent carrier as is. Ready for fun in the dirt. Runs and drives excellent. Some extra parts included, but needing restoration. A fine piece of light weight armor that you can haul on a regular trailer and afford. Any other tracked armor is going to cost you way more than this. These are highly sought after, so if you ever wanted one, don't wait. It won't last long. An additional set of tracks are available for separate purchase, should you desire to have a back up set. Road wheels have good rubber and no damage. Sprockets are in good driving condition.
Located in Iowa.
We can arrange shipping inside the USA only. No export unless you pay the license fees or you arrange your own export with a licensed party.

Price: $31,000.00
For more information, contact Roger at 319-230-7300 or kathyh@jtt.net

[RichardT10829]

I had put that image of the T16 in the bows and covers thread as it had close ups on the brace bars used for the covers... ???