MLU FORUM  

Go Back   MLU FORUM > MILITARY VEHICLES > The Restoration Forum

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 07-06-10, 03:15
RHClarke's Avatar
RHClarke RHClarke is offline
Mr. HUP
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ottawa Area
Posts: 2,327
Default Another Wet Weekend at the Barn

We had 30oC+ weather in May, but June's weather is plain nuts! It was 10oC this morning when I arrived at the barn. The good news: the bugs were not very active, and sweating was minimal. However, one step out of the barn insured you got very very wet. Some fella named Noah was rounding up wood for his boat project.

Bob and Grant spent the day conducting various indoor tasks including the removal of broken off manifold studs. They are getting quite good at this task. Bob helped me purge the HUP brake system and verified that the HUP's bearings were properly loaded.

The next task was to fit the driver side door to the HUP. A bit of background is necessary here - one of the first bits of work I contracted out on the HUP was the repair of the driver side door. Its frame was racked and the skin was beyond economical repair. The hinges were a mess as they had been broken more than once and welded a number of times. The lower hinge was welded directly to the door itself. The upper frame side hinge was welded to the frame. I sent the work out to a recommended metal banger in the west end of Ottawa. The door came back looking like it came right off of the assembly line - less the junked hinges. A test demonstrated that the door fit the opening very well. I felt that the money spent on the door was well worth the result. That was about five years ago.

Recently, I attached a pair of newly acquired "unique to the HUP" hinges to the door and attempted to attach the door to the frame. Things did not go well. Once attached to the frame, the door would not fully close. After some head scratching, the Hammond crew moved on to other tasks.

Today, the door was put in the frame with the hinges attached to it. As the photos show below, there is a misalignment of hinges. The problem stems from my rash decision as a CMP rookie to send work off to folks who were not familiar with our trucks. The metal banger thought (as did I) that the angle on the hinge end of the door was as it should be…Wrong! The metal should be at an angle of 90o when compared to the outer skin. It isn’t.

The three of us discussed various solutions to this little problem. It was suggested that I find another 45 HUP door – easier said than done as good 45 HUP parts are getting to be as rare as rocking horse dirt. It has been almost eight years since I got the HUP, and further delays awaiting parts is not my preferred option.

The next suggestion included the removal of the door skin and banging of the metal back into position. Considering the money I paid for this door, that suggestion didn’t gain too much traction.

Next was to drill new holes in the frame, but the location of the present holes show that they are there for a good reason – they are drilled in the center of the interior cab support bar that joins the windscreen to the lower part of the cab frame. Drilling new holes through the end of the bar would weaken the structure - so no go.

The most workable suggestion we came up with is to extend the length of the frame mounted hinge part. We are looking at welding 5/16 thick metal bar stock to the end of the frame side hinge, filling the holes and then drilling new holes. The “purist” in me had reservations over this move, but I have lots of frame side hinges, and if I am lucky enough to find another driver side 45 HUP door, then a quick fix can be affected. So, that’s the path ahead.

Unless you have some reasonable suggestions??
Attached Images
File Type: jpg hupwoes2010 002.jpg (95.8 KB, 42 views)
File Type: jpg hupwoes2010 004.jpg (30.9 KB, 35 views)
__________________
RHC
Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$?

Last edited by RHClarke; 07-06-10 at 03:26.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 11-06-10, 22:32
RHClarke's Avatar
RHClarke RHClarke is offline
Mr. HUP
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ottawa Area
Posts: 2,327
Default Thursday at the Barn

One of the good things about being "between contracts" is that I get to spend more time at the barn. With the new house pretty much set up to the missus' satisfaction, I have spare time!

This Thursday turned out to be quite exciting. After spending a few quiet hours working on things metallic, I heard a car splashing along the barn access road. Visitors!

Clive Law and Don Dingwall stopped by to pick up Law the Younger's Iltis. After removing the swimming pool liner, Clive connected the batterys and tried to start her up. No such luck. Fuel was added to the tank and some was dumped down the carb. The little green truck roared to life and then died. This noise attracted the Hammond airforce in great numbers. It seems they only attack clean people...

So, after much swatting and fuel supply trouble shooting, we cleaned the carb's interior and gave her some more gas. The little truck roared to life again and stayed alive at high revs. After a few minutes she managed to idle at a reasonable rate of rpms.

Clive added some new veterans plates to the truck and Don drove off in search of more fuel. Clive chased Don down to Cheney and nothing more was heard. I trust they made it back to Ottawa as Clive posted last night.

You never know who will show up at the barn...

Photos:
First - Clive and Don (well hidden in back) remove the pool liner from the Iltis.
Second - Clive just after having his bell rung on the roll bar.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg hupwoes2010 007.jpg (82.0 KB, 43 views)
File Type: jpg hupwoes2010 009.jpg (63.4 KB, 42 views)
__________________
RHC
Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$?
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-06-10, 00:03
Stuart Fedak Stuart Fedak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 244
Default Congratulations, another Iltis on the road

Nice to hear that another Iltis is on the road. I hope to see the Iltis at Bob's BBQ in a few weeks time.

The big trick with starting the Iltis is to pull the choke on (left side of steering wheel). It also helps to pump the gas a few times, and pull the manual throttle half way out (right side of steering wheel). If the engine rpm is too high, reduce the manual throttle, till it warms up. Don't forget to push the choke back in once it is running OK.

Cheers!

Stuart
__________________
Deep in the Cold War Bunker of Doom
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 15-06-10, 18:44
RHClarke's Avatar
RHClarke RHClarke is offline
Mr. HUP
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ottawa Area
Posts: 2,327
Default Crafty Carriere Creations

Bob is at it again. This time his challenge was to figure a way to move his 20ft sea can around the yard. It was suggested that he weld some wheels onto the box, but he came up with a better idea. The following photos show his creativity. A sea can wide square tube axle is slipped into one of the forklift slots. The end assemblies are then attached to the tube and secured in place by some long pins. The front end of the box will be lifted by the tractor and the sea can will be moved like a rather large trailer.

The really interesting thing about the end assemblies is that they can be used for moving other items - such as CMPs that are missing wheels or have "frozen" wheels.

Good job in my opinion.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg bs 001.jpg (40.5 KB, 39 views)
File Type: jpg bs 002.jpg (119.9 KB, 42 views)
__________________
RHC
Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$?

Last edited by RHClarke; 15-06-10 at 19:56.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 15-06-10, 19:32
Stuart Fedak Stuart Fedak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 244
Default The father of invention

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHClarke View Post
Bob is at it again. This time his challenge was to figure a way to move his 20ft sea can around the yard. It was suggested that he weld some wheels onto the box, but he came up with a better idea. The following photos show his creativity. A sea can wide square tube axle is slipped into one of the forklift slots. The end assemblys are then attached to the tube and secured in place by some long pins. The front end of the box will be lifted by the tractor and the sea can will be moved like a rather large trailer.

The really interesting thing about the end assemblies is that they can be used for moving other items - such as CMPs that are missing wheels or have "frozen" wheels.

Good job in my opinion.
Good work! Better get the Canadian patent in place, then sell the manufacture rights to Princess Auto....... In fact those look like Princess auto hubs............

While on the topic of Princess Auto, did you see the "English Wheel" that they are now carrying.
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-gar...-english-wheel
That would make an excellent addition to your metal works shop. Wonderful for making up all sorts of curved pieces for CMP.

One other new addition is a shop gantry, for those of us without double I beams in the work shop. Only rated for 1 ton, but suitable for those of us working on Iltis.....
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-gar...n-gantry-crane
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-gar...-1-ton-trolley
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-gar...ed-chain-hoist
http://www.princessauto.com/shop-gar...n-gantry-crane

Cheers
Stuart
__________________
Deep in the Cold War Bunker of Doom
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 15-06-10, 19:17
Young_Law's Avatar
Young_Law Young_Law is offline
AKA Richard Law
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ottawa, posted to Gagetown
Posts: 35
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by RHClarke View Post
Clive Law and Don Dingwall stopped by to pick up Law the Younger's Iltis.
Thieves!

Bob, you may want to add security to the property. These hooligans are not be taken lightly.
__________________
Richard Law
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 15-06-10, 19:42
RHClarke's Avatar
RHClarke RHClarke is offline
Mr. HUP
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ottawa Area
Posts: 2,327
Default More Barn Activity

Both Bob and I intend to have our CMPs running for the BBQ. To that end, we had our carbs sent out for rebuilding, coating and flow testing. The new carbs have arrived and by all reports, they look fantastic. We will see if they work as good as they look.

I have been working on various HUP bits and pieces including the small front fenders, the small floor plate (which grants access to the starter/brake master cylinder) and the crank centering/support mount on the front bumper.

My HUP fenders were a mangled mess that I had bent back into reasonable shape. The major challenge was to replicate the curve on the outside of the fenders. After hammering the hell out of the metal and making more of a mess, Bob suggested that I take some other CMP fenders and cut the rounded parts off and weld them to the plates for the HUP fenders.

A spare set of fenders were pulled out of the shed and we discovered that the outside or exposed dimensions of the fenders were the same. The bolt patterns were off by about two inches, but holes can be easily filled and new holes drilled. A quick side by side comparison showed that the larger donor fenders could be cut down to "HUP size".

The donor fenders were marked and then cut to size. The holes were filled with weld and ground down. New holes have been marked and will be drilled later this week. Photos of the end product will be posted later.

The floor plate for the HUP is similar to a "normal" CMP but is about one inch narrower. I cut down my "normal" plate to fit the HUP. As luck would have it, the holes match the large floor plate, so no drilling was required. I had to remove the flanges (which set the doghouse into place), cut them down to size and re-weld them to the small plate.

The crank support was rather easy to fab up. Flat steel stock cut down to the requisite dimensions, drilled and filed accordingly. It took about an hour to make it. It was then attached to the bumper by bolts that had their heads ground down to resemble rivets.

A few more steps forward!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg bs 003.jpg (71.2 KB, 31 views)
File Type: jpg bs 005.jpg (53.8 KB, 33 views)
File Type: jpg bs 006.jpg (50.4 KB, 31 views)
File Type: jpg bs 007.jpg (74.2 KB, 35 views)
__________________
RHC
Why is it that when you have the $$, you don't have the time, and when you have the time you don't have the $$?

Last edited by RHClarke; 15-06-10 at 19:58.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 15-06-10, 20:19
Don Dingwall's Avatar
Don Dingwall Don Dingwall is offline
Chev44
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wilds of West Carleton, ON
Posts: 150
Default Thieves ??!!

Young Law:

Thanks for the new community Iltis. It'll be well used till you get back.
Got your trailer at my place too.

Rob:
We did indeed make it back---all the way out to West Carleton. Aside from losing the speedo around Hunt Club and Bank (we don't need no stinkin speedos...) it was a trouble free drive---except for the idiot behind me (Old Law) who nearly ran into the back of said Iltis when monetarily distracted by a live human female (something he's obviously not used to...)

Stu:
You're spot on. Figured out the whole choke throttle business by the time I got to the gas station in Cheney.

And thanks to Gilles (http://www.militarytrucks.ca) I have all the manuals I need during the reconditioning process that has already started with a new windshield.

Neat little rig that Iltis. I might just keep this one for myself!

Cheers
Don
__________________
Don Dingwall

'Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.'
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15-06-10, 20:25
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
Moderator
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Hammond, Ontario
Posts: 5,259
Default Glad you made it....

Hi Don

Will you be coming to the BBQ...?....Matt?? and will the Iltis be there to join the other Iltissisisis...?

I understand you were sniffing around the 56 C4 PW...?

Boob
__________________
Bob Carriere....B.T.B
C15a Cab 11
Hammond, Ontario
Canada
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 16-06-10, 02:26
Young_Law's Avatar
Young_Law Young_Law is offline
AKA Richard Law
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Ottawa, posted to Gagetown
Posts: 35
Default

Don, you can keep the family M38 in lieu of the Iltis. Consider it a gift of thak you for working on my toy!
__________________
Richard Law
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 17-06-10, 13:27
Stuart Fedak Stuart Fedak is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Canada
Posts: 244
Default Iltis parts in Ottawa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Dingwall View Post
Young Law:

Thanks for the new community Iltis. It'll be well used till you get back.
Got your trailer at my place too.

Rob:
We did indeed make it back---all the way out to West Carleton. Aside from losing the speedo around Hunt Club and Bank (we don't need no stinkin speedos...) it was a trouble free drive---except for the idiot behind me (Old Law) who nearly ran into the back of said Iltis when monetarily distracted by a live human female (something he's obviously not used to...)

Stu:
You're spot on. Figured out the whole choke throttle business by the time I got to the gas station in Cheney.

And thanks to Gilles (http://www.militarytrucks.ca) I have all the manuals I need during the reconditioning process that has already started with a new windshield.

Neat little rig that Iltis. I might just keep this one for myself!

Cheers
Don
Don:
Let me know if you will end up needing a new/used speedometer. I have some at my usual rates. Wise move on the windshield. The lower sections of the windshields are known to rot out. Depending how much restoration you do, I have NOS Iltis wiper arms, wiper connector rod, wiper motors, windshield rear view mirrors. I just replaced those on mine and it really improved the look.

I did a modification on the wiper arms by cutting off amout 3/4 inch off the end, filling off some from the sides and riviting on a plastic fitting from Canadian Tire. It will now accept a standard 10 inch Canadian Tire wiper blade. The original Iltis wiper blades are very expensive and tend to fall apart quickly...........

It also may be a good time for the Laws to stock up on brake parts. I have front and rear brake cylinders, brass adjusters, and other brake parts. Is the front brake line the metal brake line? Those are easy to make up. If it is the Iltis rubber brake hose, I have a few of those as well.

Cheers!
Stuart
__________________
Deep in the Cold War Bunker of Doom
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 17-06-10, 18:57
Don Dingwall's Avatar
Don Dingwall Don Dingwall is offline
Chev44
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Wilds of West Carleton, ON
Posts: 150
Default Brake Parts

Stu:

I was about to ask if you had the metal part of the line or made them up. Tiny little things compared to a CMP !

The leak is a pinhole at the center of the outer radius of the 90 degree bend. Top half is rusting out anyway.

Thanks
Don
__________________
Don Dingwall

'Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.'
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
2016 at the Hammond Barn RHClarke The Restoration Forum 83 08-01-17 18:22
2014 at the Hammond Barn RHClarke The Restoration Forum 63 01-01-15 21:50
2013 at the Hammond Barn RHClarke The Restoration Forum 85 05-01-14 23:29
2011 at the Hammond Barn RHClarke The Restoration Forum 328 01-01-12 21:09
Hammond Barn Visit Wpns 421 The Softskin Forum 1 15-12-09 03:17


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 17:47.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © Maple Leaf Up, 2003-2016