DND Repossession(Rant )

[Wpns 421]

Originally Posted by Bruce Parker

CWM Fox vs. private Fox:

Thank you, this is exactly what I mean. Very nice Fox. I am sure you found it in this condition.

[malcolm erik bogaert]

Slightly off topic but youll get my meaning...was reading in yesterdays Daily Telegraph thet the Chief Constable of Yorkshire has decreed (all by himself) that starting pistols that are used to starr athletic meetings etc... have now to be handed in immediatly...any one found in posesion of same after the 4th June 2010 will face a term of imprisionment of no less than 5 years!I wasnt aware that this so called law had been passed or even debated in Parliment....whats happened to our rights....next it will be our de-activated weapons....lets hope this Stalinist govement dosnt get in at the next election! although Im pretty sure that who-ever takes over will carry on these stupid laws.....disgusted.....malcolm

[Craig S.]

I totally agree with what you are saying in regard to the messed up policies and support for museums, approved civilian and even the base supported ones. From the museum I work at it is truly disappointing in the lack of support or general apathy towards providing funding or direct labour support in the upkeep of present artifacts and monuments. For years driving in the front gate and looking at the vehicles slowly disintegrate and become the rusty row, it pisses me off. Especially when the resources are available in situ basically. Now that a few vehicles are so poor looking they have been moved from the row and now sit like rejects in the museum parking lot, where they aren't in such prominent view daily. So many people comment how they are in bad shape and you can see the disappointment talking with them, especially in the veterans who operated it while in service. Equipment on it's way out of service in the next few years and it's associated components/parts supply should be involved in the pre-disposal plan distribution right off the bat. Instead of trying to get top dollar in return for the stuff save some to support museums and associations. I just think that someone with the power and/or influence to preserve this stuff would step up so we can enjoy the kit as it was when it was in service - operating and running. I'm not one for using smilies, but this one seems to fit the mood for this subject - ..........

[Adame]

Please sell it to me.

Cheers
Adam

[charlie fitton]

note that the veh being called back are potentially useful to the CF...

[Gordon Yeo]

There is an orginization that will surely help! Years ago the last flying WW 2 Canso left in Canada was going to be sold off shore and it was hoped it could be retained for a historic/ museum purpose. It was flown by 162 squadron RCAF and Thomas Cooke DFC, AFC ( check out Canadian Aviation Hall of Fame ) won his DFC for sinking a German submarine. In the log book containing the names of pilots who also flew it included David Hornell VC.
All attempts to get goverment support or financing to aquire the airplane were rejected. Luckily it was sold to a buyer from France who completely restored the airplane and was used for arieal photography.
If that isn't worth saving then an M113 might fall through the cracks as well.

[Ed Storey]

Is this rant based on anything other than hearsay? Starting off with a friend sent me an e-mail that apparently concerns a Federal Department and Federal Museum is really not a firm basis to start a thread that seems to wander off in two directions. Do you really know the actual events or are you just basing this thread on the information you recieved in the e-mail?

Also, are you unhappy that the vehicles were apparently recalled? Are you unhappy that DND apparently wanted them recalled? Do you know, or have you ever actually seen any formal written agreement between DND and CWM and if so please tell us all what the details of the loan agreement are so that we can all perhaps forumate an informed opinion.

Your rant quickly turned into some sort of statement on the CWM collection and how you seem to think it is not very good and that collectors are "more historically correct(Depending on availability of parts and finances) we are more mobile, asthetically more accurate and collectors are more knowledgeable of their vehicles than some guide at the CWM." How does this relate to the original topic, ie the apparent recall of vehicles, that you started to rant about?

Next you wander off and start babbling on about the demand for display vehicles, how does this relate to your original topic? Also, what is this battle you have been raging for years with your vehicles?

I don't know what the agreement between CWM and DND is or was, perhaps when DND passes AFVs to CWM the vehicles have to stay with CWM and not be loaned out to a third party; musuem or not. But, this is specualtion as I do not know the answer. Perhaps an e-mail to the CWM or the parent organization the Museum of Civilization will get you all of the details.

Boycotting events, I am not sure what events you are talking about, is not the way to go. If you are not pleased with the state of the CWM collection, then instead of generating rants in this forum, do something about it. There is a charitable support organization for the CWM called the Friends of the Canadian War Museum. By joining this organization, this can give you a voice into the preservation of museum artefacts, something you will not get with just ranting on this forum.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

If you are not pleased with the state of the CWM collection, then instead of generating rants in this forum, do something about it. There is a charitable support organization for the CWM called the Friends of the Canadian War Museum. By joining this organization, this can give you a voice into the preservation of museum artefacts, something you will not get with just ranting on this forum.

Efforts on behalf of the CWM will result in bigger budgets for hospitality and better cheese trays at events instead of restorations I fear.

Ed, hearsay aside, how do you know there is no basis for this rant?

[Jordan Baker]

From my understanding this in response to a US State Dept rulling about private ownership on certain military veh's.

I also understand that this was affecting people not just in Canada but abroad too. Perhaps this was an arrangement that DND made with the US State Dept.