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[Matthew Reid]

Originally Posted by Paul Singleton

Hi Mathew,

I was wondering if you have registered your truck yet. I heard a rumour that the military vehicles have a notation on the serial numbers so that they cannot be road licensed. When these vehicles are sold the federal govt. enters the VIN numbers into a database that prohibits provinces licensing them. This is to prohibit vehicles that are not built to any safety standards being driven on public roads. I also heard that sales of the Iltis prompted this action. I see that your truck seems to have a typical VIN number. Some of the U.S. military Chevy blazers that I have seen have a very odd VIN number.

Paul

I was mailed a regular MOT ownership from the auction house. I have checked with registries here in Alberta and there is no issue registering the unit here after getting an out of province inspection. As far as they are concerned it is K30 Chev truck and nothing out of the ordinary.

I will not be registering it until after the restoration is complete. As it stands it would not pass with the rotted innner fenders.

There are no titles or ownerships so to speak of in Alberta. The vehicles registration and ownership is not separated like in Ontario or some other provinces. In Alberta you can not go to registries and get an ownership with out plating the vehicle.

In Ontario you can not register a vehicle without the MOT issued ownership with out a major hassle. Here you just need a bill of sale written on most any thing and nothing else.

Also there are 2 classifications of Salvage in Alberta Salvage and Non Repairable.

Any vehicle that has been written off by an insurance company but could be repaired is listed as Salvage with registries.

A Salvage vehicle can be put back in the road after repair following a Structural integrity inspection and an out of provincial inspection.
The repairs have to meet OEM specifications or I-Car Standards.
The inspection/s take place during the rebuilding of the vehicle and it is not just a final product inspection. If it is a minor repair an inspection before repair and one after will suffice.
The repaired vehicle will be given a Rebuilt rating on the registration.

Any vehicle declared non-repairable will not be issued any further certificate of registration. They have to have structural damaged that it is non-repairable for them to be declared non repariable.. Those vehicles can only be dismantled for parts and no structural parts (frames ect) can be reused as repair parts for other vehicles.
Any MLVW"s that come through auction here unless they are structurally damaged should be listed as salvage.

If you custom build a vehicle it can be put on the road here after passing a Salvage vehicle inspection as long as it meets the Alberta Transportation requirements for lamps, mudflaps, brakes, speedometer, etc. The vehicle must be designed for highway operation and can not be made from a vehicle designed for off road use.

So technically it may be possible to get a MLVW on the road here even if listed as salvage on the bill of sale from the auction house. With the GVW of those units they may be classified as Commercial Vehicles and then a whole other host of issues would crop up.
I do not know for sure if any one has registered a MLVW here.
But I heard a rumour someone has registered a MLVW here for road use.

It is a grey area since transportation falls under both Federal and Provincial jurisdictions. What one province will not allow anouther may irregardless of what the feds say.

There are several former U.S Army CUCV's on the road here. And the owners had no issue getting them on the road after a Transport Canada inspection and an Alberta out of province inspection.

They are just GMC trucks that are basically identical to the millions of civi units on the roads and that is how Alberta Registries and Alberta Transportation veiws them.

For most ex mill vehicles registration is not the issue, it is insurance that is the biggest hassle here.


Matthew

[derk derin]

Rob,
Was it you that told me all of the CUCV 5/4 tons came with the American camoflouge pattern with the brown in the paint scheme and once the vehicle was due for a new paint job,they used the Canadian 5/4 ton pattern with the two different greens and the black IRR paint?So if you find brown in the paint pattern,this would be part of the original paint pattern when the truck was delivered as Canada never had a brown in any of their paint patterns?
Derk.

[rob love]

Yes, that was the case at one time. The brown was part of the US (or NATO, depending how high you wanted to go) cam pattern. The CUCVs were primarily militia trucks, and as such the paint jobs were usually done with a 4" brush, using the same two or three colors that were in the unit paint locker. Sometimes they might follow the official cam pattern, and sometimes they would make it up themselves. In the early to mid 90s, it was decreed that B (softskin) vehicles would be painted flat green only, and were no longer cammed up. With the new CARC paints, the olive drab was dropped and the brown added. I am not sure what the designated cam patterns are now, but the majority of the vehicles (LAVs included) are simply the single color green. Even here in the sandbox, the majority of vehicles are still single color green with some in the tan. The dust quickly cam up any vehicle to the appropriate color. Just like in Gagetown, where every vehicle turns that pinkish color after a few days in the trng area.

[Ed Storey]

Here is an image of the M1010 CUCV Ambulance when it was first delivered to Petawawa in the late 1980s, as you will see, it is in the NATO three-colour camouflage.



Here is a CUCV cab that has been mated to a Canadian Chevrolet Van complete with the two different camouflage styles. I bet no-one would believe this at a MV show.

[rob love]

Interesting, it is indeed the earlier 5/4 gas van body. The CUCV van bodies were almost identical, but had square edges at the top. When we were getting rid of the 2 fleets in the mid 90s, we were advised that none of the early bodies were to be sold (they went to CORCAN for rebuild and installation onto the LSVWs, ) but the later CUCV bodies were to be sold.

I have one of the CUCV bodies waiting for me when I get back home, which I will be installing onto an early gas 5/4 ton, so I will in effect be doing the opposite of the truck pictured. I will, however, be matching the paint scheme to the Cdn pattern.