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Old 17-02-10, 23:08
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
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Hi Stuart

Let consider getting together to draw a draft design first.....

You steel stock maybe cheaper if you purchase full lenghts...... 20 or 22 feet and cut to size based on design plans... I have the dry cut off wheel... mig welder and covered place to work........

Design will reflect actual dimensions of your jacks......

Prefab sprocket will give good flexibility....

Have you looked at the worm drive of certain HD boat trailer winches at PA....?

Consider using a rear axle hub bearings instead of dry pipes for turning/support points..... one of the models you referred to has that feature.

Wheels should be selected with regards to the ground surface.... the roughest surface will need larger casters...also overall weight....

I usually make use of Valdais fabrication off Innes in town.....but only for when I need some precision bending on his large press.....

For basic stock I believe Bourdeau Steel just outside Embrun near Vars is hard to beat pricewise...... he deals with farmer who build thier own stuff and can give sound advice...free !!!! I can pick up full lenght with my trailer..... it is usually cheaper to cut your own as they have to charge the handling time to someone...... but that is your call.

If you were considering modifying the shop crane for the rotisserie you may be happy that you missed out and built your own....

Casters of various sizes will be available on a rotational basis this Spring at PA.... again size to be discussed.... and also caution on the caster wheels... some are nice... but if left outside in the WInter.... solid steel is better btu larger ones are more expensive.......freezing water will shatter the rubber/plastic tires on the casters..... ask how I know.....

Have rough idea of what HxWxL you will need.... and we can chat..... I will bring a flip chart....

BooB
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Old 18-02-10, 02:55
Bob Carriere Bob Carriere is offline
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Default Interesting concept.....

Using a front axle disc brake hub...... genius..... strong.... readily available in scrap yard.....

I like the idea on Gord's BBQ.... the vertical square tubing is drilled for a bolt/nut...... copy that with a jack to raise it to the next hole.... bolt in place and relieve pressure on jack....good safety measure.....

Let's keep looking for odd parts and new idea....

Anybody else wants to chim in and make suggestions now is the time.....

I am on a course all of next week but anytime towards the end of Feb start of March we need to squeeze some gray matter together and come up with a design.... that will dictate how much steel we need..... we may have to visit the steel shop to see what sizes and tickness are available and what size square tubing slips into what larger size...ID and OD.. for a proper tight fit.....

I favour designing mine with one set of small car wheels/tires at one end.... the other end with solid adjustable legs..... as I will move it like a trailer using the farm tractor.... also allows me to go over rough ground to store in the back field...... could have removable wheels if they get in the way.....jack it up install wheel and tow it away.

.... and this way for the BBQ I can pull it to the back field and BBQ a whole steer !!!!!


Hang in there... keep thinking.

Boob
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Old 18-02-10, 03:13
Gordon Yeo Gordon Yeo is offline
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If you guys want any more photos or measurements let me know. I am sure the unit is home built and uses 2X2 steel tubing for the frames. The sliders that make the collars to carry the crossmembers are one size larger dimention. It really is a simlpe design and drilling a few holes is the most complicated part of it.
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Old 18-02-10, 03:32
Stuart Fedak Stuart Fedak is offline
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Default Thanks Gord!

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If you guys want any more photos or measurements let me know. I am sure the unit is home built and uses 2X2 steel tubing for the frames. The sliders that make the collars to carry the crossmembers are one size larger dimention. It really is a simlpe design and drilling a few holes is the most complicated part of it.
Gord: Thanks for all the wonderful pictures and ideas. I think one the size you have, would work well for my needs for the Iltis. I will pehaps make it a bit bigger, for any future projects. Bobs needs are more heavy duty.

The use of the brake hub is wonderful. It is already robust and designed for the weight. Plus, should be readily available at a scrap yard. I was thinking of all the issues of using a pipe inside another pipe. It would need a collar at one end to keep the pipe from slipping out. Perhaps some grease fittings for keeping it lubricated, etc... a lot of design requirements... but it is already done.

I will have at least three Iltis body tubs to work on, so it will save lots of time. I have tried moving and flipping the Iltis body on my own, and it is too much weight. That is why I was so interested in this project.

Bob: The start of March is good. I have some weekend shifts at the hospital coming up, so not much time. This will be a good project, and will yield a useful product that I am sure will get shared around the Ottawa Valley.

Cheers!
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