HUP with a difference. . .

[maple_leaf_eh]

What's the problem? Its not parked outside the Hammond Barn, that's the problem!

[Phil Waterman]

Mark and Terry

Raise and interesting restoration question about military vehicles, how good should the sheet metal finish be? In this case were the HUP had a long and productive life after military service the level of body finish and paint work is extremely appropriate. Just as the CMPs that were proudly used by garages were the quality of the sheet metal refitting was an example of the shops ability.

But should smoothing out the welded seams of the standard production be the rule? Or filling in the dimples of the original spot welds? Doing an invisible seam on a panel where you are replacing rust then yes that to me is appropriate.


Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Excellent guys, thanks.

Here's another modified HUP. Give it your best!

Hanno

[Alex van de Wetering]

I recall reading about it in Wheels & Tracks magazine, must the no.1 or 2 issue?

Phil, Hanno. I was reading the very first issue of Wheels and Tracks yesterday.......and there it is on page 10!

Alex

[Keith Orpin]

Quote:
But should smoothing out the welded seams of the standard production be the rule? Or filling in the dimples of the original spot welds? Doing an invisible seam on a panel where you are replacing rust then yes that to me is appropriate.
Phil Waterman

No,No,No ! Let us not forget that these and countless other vehicles produced for WW2, were manufactured for one job and one job only - to win the war. By smoothing away welds, and filling in spot welds, you are removing it's originality, character and detail. Personally, I love to see a vehicle that shows it's spot welds and original welds, that to me shows that who ever restored it, is dedicated to presenting it as it would have been manufactured. To be honest, I reckon the paint jobs we do are probably far better than were originally applied
That's my two penneth worth !
Regards
Keith
P.S. I know you would'nt smooth out original welds, or fill in spot welds, would you Phil ?

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Keith Orpin

No,No,No ! Let us not forget that these and countless other vehicles produced for WW2, were manufactured for one job and one job only - to win the war. By smoothing away welds, and filling in spot welds, you are removing it's originality, character and detail. Personally, I love to see a vehicle that shows it's spot welds and original welds, that to me shows that who ever restored it, is dedicated to presenting it as it would have been manufactured. To be honest, I reckon the paint jobs we do are probably far better than were originally applied
That's my two penneth worth !
Regards
Keith
P.S. I know you would'nt smooth out original welds, or fill in spot welds, would you Phil ?

The war time manufacturing processes were designed to make these vehicles to last a year or two at most and speed was the essence to produce them...get them to the places they were needed as soon as possible..Time and money was short so extra time and money steps were eliminated..no better example can be scene today than to look at the war time manufactured Russian military equipment ..casting marks ..welds..gas torch cuts..all unfinished..just sand blasted..maybe not..and painted..That was one of the very first things I noticed when I saw my first T 34/76..It left me with the life long picture in my mind of war time speed of production..and some of these vehicles ,as far as I am concerned should be left exactly as manufactured when restoration is complete..It tells the wartime struggle with time ..material..labour and money..



Some of these manufacturing flaws are still seen today ..Take a look at a Russian built Belarus tractor the next chance you get..the welding spatters are painted right over with no attempt to smooth..fill ..or hide any seams or joints..the tractor engine is the same V12 Diesel engine used in their T series tanks..waste not..want not...

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Keith Orpin

By smoothing away welds, and filling in spot welds, you are removing it's originality, character and detail. Personally, I love to see a vehicle that shows it's spot welds and original welds, that to me shows that who ever restored it, is dedicated to presenting it as it would have been manufactured.

I totally agree. See the picture, lovely isn´t it. Mind you, this is a post-war Swedish quality vehicle!

[Bob Carriere]

I bet you the spot welder operator had a production counter on his machine and a hard quota to maintain......

Boob