Replica Enfield 303 rifles

[Mike Timoshyk]

If the Senate does not follow through with the recommendations of the voted in members of parliment it may well sound the death nell for an appointed Senate.

My $.02 worth

cheers

Mike Timoshyk

[cletrac (RIP)]

And your $ .02 is almost worth 2 cents these days.

[Jordan Baker]

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

My understanding, limited as it is, is that the proposed bill only affects the registry of long weapons and that it does nothing to change the licensing requirements to possess or acquire (quaint government phrases) a weapon. As others have pointed out, the bill passed one of its three readings today and now goes to committtee for study and revision. As a private member's bill it may well suffer the fate of many other private member's bills and die on the order paper when parliament is disolved for the next election (whenever that happens given the minority government we have at the moment).

[rob love]

If this bill goes through it only removes the requirement to register non-restricted long arms.

You will still need a license to possess a workable rifle, and it will still be a criminal code offense to be in possession of one without a license.

The bill does not make replicas legal in Canada, they will remain as prohibited items. You don't need a license to have them, but they must be locked up, and they have to be transported like a firearm, and they can't be imported by the average guy.

What this bill will do for you is make it easier for you to get that dewat. Since the rifle would not be registered, you would not have to go through the hoops to deregister it as a deact. You will be able to simply weld a pin through the breech, and that should satisfy anyone that the gun cannot be easily made to fire.

Personally, I will be happy to see this albatross gone. It wasn't that many years ago we were paying $25 every time we transferred a rifle, and the antis wanted to raise that up some to cover the spiralling costs of the great white elephant called gun control.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

Currently, having live firearms on MV's is a bad idea (I think). So wanting dummy or deactivated makes sense...providing it's done safely and only at the right venues!!

Dummy, replica guns are banned in Canada, unless you owned them before the law changed.

Deactivating live rifles is fine, so long as they are done to current government guidelines. But here is the problem. If you register yourself for acquiring firearms, take the course, write the test, etc. then go out and buy a rifle or two, you would then have to confirm they've been deactivated. This process would be time consuming and expensive.

If the Senate passes C-391, then you may convince a licensed owner to buy a clunker, deactivate it to current standards and sell it to you. The difference is that without the firearms registry, there would be no need to get the rifle certified deactivated and de-registered.

I note that in the UK deactivated firearms sell for higher prices than real ones:

http://www.chrisjohnsons.co.uk/shop/shop.php

[Gordon Yeo]

The senate may be spared killing this bill. It requires third reading yet in the lower house. It is facinating a private members bill has made it this far, but it is encouraging.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Mike Timoshyk

If the Senate does not follow through with the recommendations of the voted in members of parliment it may well sound the death nell for an appointed Senate.

My $.02 worth

cheers

Mike Timoshyk

Just as well, Myke.... methinks we're well overdue for an elected senate anyway.

To support subsequent posters, no, even if this goes through it won't affect "replica" guns. It WILL make it easier to own/transfer/deactivate live long guns though. Deactivation regs will remain the same as they always have though, ie barrel blind-pinned to the receiver and a mechanism which can't be replaced by a working one.

Incidentally, the magazine restrictions won't be changed either, even if this does pass.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

Incidentally, the magazine restrictions won't be changed either, even if this does pass.

Baby steps Geoff, baby steps. We gun owners are not done asking for fixes yet.

Many MPs have now figured out that in a tight race, they can't afford to have 20% of their riding (gun owners) solidly against them. They had to break party ranks on this vote, especially with the PCs doing an ad campaign in rural ridings where non-conservative MPS sit and the conservatives lost by only 5% or less. Ignatieff finally offerred some minor concessions to his party's view of the registry, but they are way too little and way too late.

It wasn't that long ago that the Liberal (and NDP and Green) parties were calling for a complete ban on handguns and all semi automatic rifles. It is not even in the Liberal platform today, at least not in print.

There are a lot of things that have to be fixed yet before gun owners are happy.