Replica Enfield 303 rifles

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Don't hold your breath, Pal Al.... whaddeya bet the Senate kills the bill?

[Mike Timoshyk]

If the Senate does not follow through with the recommendations of the voted in members of parliment it may well sound the death nell for an appointed Senate.

My $.02 worth

cheers

Mike Timoshyk

[cletrac (RIP)]

And your $ .02 is almost worth 2 cents these days.

[Jordan Baker]

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

[Grant Bowker]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

My understanding, limited as it is, is that the proposed bill only affects the registry of long weapons and that it does nothing to change the licensing requirements to possess or acquire (quaint government phrases) a weapon. As others have pointed out, the bill passed one of its three readings today and now goes to committtee for study and revision. As a private member's bill it may well suffer the fate of many other private member's bills and die on the order paper when parliament is disolved for the next election (whenever that happens given the minority government we have at the moment).

[rob love]

If this bill goes through it only removes the requirement to register non-restricted long arms.

You will still need a license to possess a workable rifle, and it will still be a criminal code offense to be in possession of one without a license.

The bill does not make replicas legal in Canada, they will remain as prohibited items. You don't need a license to have them, but they must be locked up, and they have to be transported like a firearm, and they can't be imported by the average guy.

What this bill will do for you is make it easier for you to get that dewat. Since the rifle would not be registered, you would not have to go through the hoops to deregister it as a deact. You will be able to simply weld a pin through the breech, and that should satisfy anyone that the gun cannot be easily made to fire.

Personally, I will be happy to see this albatross gone. It wasn't that many years ago we were paying $25 every time we transferred a rifle, and the antis wanted to raise that up some to cover the spiralling costs of the great white elephant called gun control.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Jordan Baker

OK quick question. So if this Bill is supported in the Senate, just how would it help me in getting a couple of these rifles.???

Currently, having live firearms on MV's is a bad idea (I think). So wanting dummy or deactivated makes sense...providing it's done safely and only at the right venues!!

Dummy, replica guns are banned in Canada, unless you owned them before the law changed.

Deactivating live rifles is fine, so long as they are done to current government guidelines. But here is the problem. If you register yourself for acquiring firearms, take the course, write the test, etc. then go out and buy a rifle or two, you would then have to confirm they've been deactivated. This process would be time consuming and expensive.

If the Senate passes C-391, then you may convince a licensed owner to buy a clunker, deactivate it to current standards and sell it to you. The difference is that without the firearms registry, there would be no need to get the rifle certified deactivated and de-registered.

I note that in the UK deactivated firearms sell for higher prices than real ones:

http://www.chrisjohnsons.co.uk/shop/shop.php

[Gordon Yeo]

The senate may be spared killing this bill. It requires third reading yet in the lower house. It is facinating a private members bill has made it this far, but it is encouraging.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Mike Timoshyk

If the Senate does not follow through with the recommendations of the voted in members of parliment it may well sound the death nell for an appointed Senate.

My $.02 worth

cheers

Mike Timoshyk

Just as well, Myke.... methinks we're well overdue for an elected senate anyway.

To support subsequent posters, no, even if this goes through it won't affect "replica" guns. It WILL make it easier to own/transfer/deactivate live long guns though. Deactivation regs will remain the same as they always have though, ie barrel blind-pinned to the receiver and a mechanism which can't be replaced by a working one.

Incidentally, the magazine restrictions won't be changed either, even if this does pass.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

Incidentally, the magazine restrictions won't be changed either, even if this does pass.

Baby steps Geoff, baby steps. We gun owners are not done asking for fixes yet.

Many MPs have now figured out that in a tight race, they can't afford to have 20% of their riding (gun owners) solidly against them. They had to break party ranks on this vote, especially with the PCs doing an ad campaign in rural ridings where non-conservative MPS sit and the conservatives lost by only 5% or less. Ignatieff finally offerred some minor concessions to his party's view of the registry, but they are way too little and way too late.

It wasn't that long ago that the Liberal (and NDP and Green) parties were calling for a complete ban on handguns and all semi automatic rifles. It is not even in the Liberal platform today, at least not in print.

There are a lot of things that have to be fixed yet before gun owners are happy.

[rob love]

Originally Posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball

Don't hold your breath, Pal Al.... whaddeya bet the Senate kills the bill?

If Harper needs to in the new year, he can fill vacancies in the senate with conservative appointees and he will have a majority in the senate. He would, of course, rather wait until he can reform the senate and have an elected senate instead of the current patronage appointees. But it will soon be doable on the stacking, so the senate is not the problem.

The next big hurdle for this bill will be the committee which is supposed to study, and if need be, vote amendments to this bill. The Liberals on this committee have already promised that the bill will never see the light of day. If I recall, the committee that was working on it before this second reading was already trying to get the bill scrapped, but the conservative member of the committee was still able to steer it through.

[Lynn Eades]

The Biggest problem for all of us would be the U.N. wouldnt it?

[Mike Timoshyk]

Oh My God don't open up this can o worms....I have had too many bad experiences with working with/for the UN (Useless Numbsculls) (Universally Neutered) soory I am beginning to rant....quick more wine....

cheers

Myke

[cletrac (RIP)]

After watching this thread I got to wondering about putting an old sporterized Enfield back to military configuration. I checked out one that was my father in laws and was surprised to see that it was a 1902 LE No1* CLLE 1 made by L S A Co. (Lithgow Small Arms??) Now this makes it a lot harder to find parts but a unique rifle if I do find them. Now the question arises; does anyone on the forum have any spare parts for one of these long Lee Enfields or know where I can find any?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally Posted by cletrac

After watching this thread I got to wondering about putting an old sporterized Enfield back to military configuration. I checked out one that was my father in laws and was surprised to see that it was a 1902 LE No1* CLLE 1 made by L S A Co. (Lithgow Small Arms??) Now this makes it a lot harder to find parts but a unique rifle if I do find them. Now the question arises; does anyone on the forum have any spare parts for one of these long Lee Enfields or know where I can find any?

London Small Arms, not Lithgow, sorry. CLLE is "Charger Loading Lee Enfield" which means it is basically a Long Lee [Enfield] with a guide for a five round charger clip over the breech.

[NORTH-SHORE(CANADA)]

Originally Posted by cletrac

Now the question arises; does anyone on the forum have any spare parts for one of these long Lee Enfields or know where I can find any?

Hi,
To bad i juste have No4 part

[mike mckinley]

first of all, i absolutely despise bill c68 in it's intirety. what bothers me even worse is the requirement to de-activate a firearm...especially a historic one. having said that, my opinion is better to deactivate it than to see it go to the smelter/ torch (add method of destruction here). there is another option available..that would be the swift training rifle. it was a training aid during the war which closely resembles the enfield rifle both in weight and astetically and has an operating bolt. they do become available from time to time and were used throughout the commonwealth. while they aren't classed as a replica, they aren't a dewat either, and may be the answer to those wanting to display a period firearm with their vehicle.