M38A1 CDN3 106mm recoilless rifle Garage find

[Craig S.]

Hello army brat -

Well I had a look today for info on your find. Here's what I found:
1970 Truck Utility 1/4 Ton 4x4 CDN3 Willys M38A1CDN3 106mm Rcl Rifle
CFR#-08733
Serial No. 99853
ECC 121310
Original UIC 0113 CFB Borden
Acquired date 01 Jan 1970
ERN 30104
Holding unit history shows -
01 Jan 1970 to 31 Jan 1983, UIC 0105CFB/ASU Gagetown and
31 Jan 1983 to 26 June 1986, UIC 0113 CFB Borden
Modification history is listed as 2 mods completed but no description of what they were. Modification publication reference is 30-010-000/CF-002 and 30-010-000/CF-003
Completed Work Orders are shown for period between 30 Sept 1977 and 08 Nov 1983.
- 30 Sept 77, UIC 2208 ADM(Engineering and Maintenance) branch owned it, Gagetown UMG performed work, in for preventative maint.
- 30 Nov 77, UIC 2037 CTC HQ owned it, Gagetown UMG performed the work. 2104 miles and $17.00 in parts. In for corrective and preventative maint.
- 12 June 78, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, BMS Gagetown. 3504 miles and a whole $2.00 in parts. This particular corrective and preventative labour shows Trades 101,105,302 and 411 having performed the work. I'm only familiar with trade 411 as being the code for vehicle technicans. Unsure what the other codes are. Trade 101 is quite frequent in the other Work Orders as well.
- 16 Nov 78, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG. 4630 miles, $5.00 in parts and 9.0 hours preventative miant.
- 16 Nov 78, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, BMS Gagetown, 4627 miles and $38.00 in parts. 24.5 hours labor for this one. BMG and UMG it would seem at the time, performed some jobs the other didn’t(?) and vice-versa.
-16 Jan 79, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG, 4931 miles. In for 2.0 hrs Preventative maint.
- 07 June 79, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG, 5628 miles and $10.00 in parts. Both preventative and corrective maint.
- 27 Nov 79, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG, 6495 miles and $113.00 in parts. First modification listed at this time and it took 1.5 hrs by trade 101; the rest of the labour was preventative and corrective.
- 13 Feb 80, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG, 6566 miles and $68.00 in parts. Second modification was done by 411 in 2.0 hrs. Preventative and corrective maint followed.
- 18 Feb 81, UIC 0105 CFB/ASU Gagetown, Gagetown UMG, 7986 miles and $352.00 in parts. 10 hrs preventative and corrective maint by trades 101 and 411.
- 08 Nov 1983, UIC 1113 CFB Borden owned, Borden BMS worked on it. Went from 7986 miles to 26273 miles in the long period of time since the last Work Order record. Bet the Jeep didn’t know what hit it compared to previous travels. Only $49.00 in parts and 17.5 hrs labour.
That’s it for info on Work Order details.
VMO No. DP358790 for disposal cut 08 Feb 1987.
Disposed of 23 July 1987 in Serviceable condition for $1635.00.
Last holding notice dated 02 Feb 1988.

Now you’ve got some history on your new to you Jeep. Cheers,

Craig

[jeep_teck]

totally awsome


you guys certainly know how to get guys going.......this is an awsome find I have been working and restoring mine for the last 5 years,and with the help of all you fellows ,it has been the most wonderful trip down memory lane....
hope the pics followed



p.s.
guns are still available for restorations..

mark.

[maple_leaf_eh]

You guys are just too cooperative just giving away the goods. If you were running a brothel, you'd go broke!

Clive: Any comments on when the CFR lists will be available in a more complete form?

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh

Clive: Any comments on when the CFR lists will be available in a more complete form?

Ooops! Missed this post somehow
It took me almost 30 minutes to crop the three pages of M38A1/106mm data and merge as a single image. This is because of my really old version of Adobe. So with over 400 pages I am not looking forward to the task ahead.
I need DND to clarify why they included "M151" in the category description and "M38A1CDNx" in the ECC Description. Once that is clarified I may offer the CD, with appropriate images, on a CD at a reasonable price, to the general public. Of course this will include an obscene profit margin.

[army brat]

Well
I started to strip the paint and bondo off the M38 and I have to say it is in good shape so far!
I took of the roll bar... 1st thing to go! and started in the back end and worked my way forward.
Man the guy that use to own this was a master with bondo! Did you know if you slather it on thick enough you can fill bolt holes! Well at least he didnt braze them!

I'll post more as I go, I am hoping I can get away with a little filler and some high build. I'll have to do some fab work in the back, nothing a brake won't handle.

[army brat]

I have to thank everyone for all the information on the M38.
It's so great to have the history for the life of the M38 during it's time with the DND.
I will be sure to post pic's as soon as I start to work on it.

Thanks again

Mark

[servicepub (RIP)]

OK, I don't have my copy of "Staff Duties in the Field" close at hand. Who can ID the tac sign on the bumper?
Also, it appears the the Equipment Classification Code (ECC) is incorrect. It should read 121310

[maple_leaf_eh]

The tactical sign is airborne infantry. Crossed bandoliers with a "gull" wing airborne inside the bounding box. Probably CAR in Cyprus or 3 Mech Cdo (but did they do a Cyprus rotation?), since the battalions did not have airborne companies like they do today.

Originally Posted by servicepub

OK, I don't have my copy of "Staff Duties in the Field" close at hand. Who can ID the tac sign on the bumper?

[Wayne Hingley]

Originally Posted by servicepub

... Also, it appears the the Equipment Classification Code (ECC) is incorrect. It should read 121310

Hi Clive. I was looking through this older thread and was interested to see if you are now able to clarify the ECC issue noted above. The info in your Ramtank site shows the CDN3's as having codes of 121301, same as the code on the bumper of the UN Jeep in the photo. However the table (in post #5) listing all the 106RCL Jeeps uses the ECC 121310. Is it possible that the code listing in that table is incorrect? Im also curious why it references M151 in the category column. Thanks for any new info you can add.

I will send you data and photos of three M38A1's for the website in the coming months. Wayne

[Ed Storey]

ECC Code 121310 is indeed correct for a M38CDN3 with RCL Kit. It was common Ordnance practice to stencil the basic ECC vehicle code on the front right bumper of vehicles and this would not necessarily be painted over when the vehicle was modified.

As for the M151 designation on the listing, chalk it up to input error by DND.

[Wayne Hingley]

Thanks for confirming that information Ed. My next question is; what is the second number used for... It seems the six digit ECC already describes the vehicle and its attributes. So how/why is the following one, two or three digit designation used?

[Ed Storey]

The 1, 2 or 3 relates to the model of M38A1CDN so there is an ECC code for every vehicle type within the M model.