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12-08-09, 12:54
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The trucks (and cars) of the mid 30's to 40's era are confusing due to a host of factors. I think in another thread there was a model list showing the wheelbases for the Chev as well as the Maple Leaf trucks which can be different. Main differences are mechanical with the Maple Leaf normally having a larger capacity motor for example and unless you are conversant with engine numbers and the minor differences it is hard to tell them apart especially when the same company has built the same cabs for both. Plus with 60 odd years of civilian ownership all sorts of funny things happen with body and mechanical parts being transfered. Back in the mid to late 30's a lot of re-badging was done on motor vehicles along with a few styling differences, plus to confuse people further the same local built bodies on suposed different makes.
Most army trucks of the era had either the 18inch military split rim wheels or civilian type rims and tyres fitted often between the same models so that is no real help. It was the model after yours where the top cowl vents became common along with the side vents. As you saw in the earlier posts the AWM photos of a standard Chev 3 ton and a Maple Leaf Chevrolet 3 ton look the same. So you really need the list of Chassis/body numbers of each to be totally sure. Plus your truck is not a Chevrolet Holden it is a WA Chevrolet assembled by Holden with a Holden built cab. Hope this has not confused you too much and often it is easier for someone else to help positively ID a vehicle from photos and not just a discription. I have added another photo here from Pictures Australia showing WA Chevrolet trucks at Alice Springs in 1945. This photo shows the rear body type yours should have if you wish to restore it to it's full military glory. I also suggest rather then using the ARN number from the Maple Leaf Bonnet that you check the AWM's ARN number books first as they may give you your vehicles original ARN if you can match engine or chassis numbers. 
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE" 
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12-08-09, 15:49
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Lionel, I think your confusion stems from the "Holden, Made in Australia" plate. Holden did not actually "Make" trucks. The components all came from the US or Canada regardless whether it was a car or truck. A certain amount of the bodywork WAS stamped out here and made by Holden, but by far the bulk of the vehicle is imported and assembled here. All GM products in Australia (car or truck) were only locally assembled imports by Holden's until the arrival of the 1948 48-215.
Despite the presence of the Holden plates, both the Chev and Maple Leaf are genuine Chev and Maple Leaf vehicles, not "Misleading sheep in wolves' clothing".
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13-08-09, 06:53
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Maple or Not
Hello Cliff,
Wow there is a lot more to consider than I thought  The truck in question was motorless and lacking a gear box and I had my choice from a range kept on the property. The original motor was long gone so this was not much of a help. Main differences are mechanical with the Maple Leaf normally having a larger capacity motor for example and unless you are conversant with engine numbers and the minor differences it is hard to tell them apart especially when the same company has built the same cabs for both. Thanks for the photo. As Mike Kelly pointed out from a photo of my truck it has a hinged windscreen which Mike said came out in late 1940. The first couple of trucks pictured do not have the same windscreen hinges so they must have been built earlier than my truck. I have added another photo here from Pictures Australia showing WA Chevrolet trucks at Alice Springs in 1945. This photo shows the rear body type yours should have if you wish to restore it to it's full military glory. I also suggest rather then using the ARN number from the Maple Leaf Bonnet that you check the AWM's ARN number books first as they may give you your vehicles original ARN if you can match engine or chassis numbers. Yes, my intention is to take the truck back to full military glory. The ID plate on the firewall has the chasis number stamped on it. Does the chassis have a number stamped somewhere on it so I can check it against the ID plate and if so where would I find it? Do you mean that if I can give the Australian War Memorial my engine and chasis number can they give me my trucks original Army truck number? Thanks for the help. I do have a book 1940 Chevorlet Maple Leaf and GMC Trucks shop manual Reproduced for the Australian Commonwealth Military Forces printed October 1942. It lists the dimensions of the various trucks and I did not have it with me when I was travelling at the time. If this is the best source of identifying trucks I will take it with me and a tape measure and use it as guide instead of firewall ID plates next time I go truck spotting  . Also in the photo you sent the spare wheel is in a compartment in the tray near the rear cabin wall. Would this have been an extra spare or did they remove the underslung spare tyre located near the towbar for improved clearance and relocated them in the tray? Kind Regards Lionel Last edited by Lionelgee; 13-08-09 at 06:59.
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13-08-09, 07:28
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Hope this helps
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE"
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13-08-09, 12:24
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13-08-09, 12:42
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Where abouts in Queensland are you
Hello Cliff,
I see by your sign in details that you live in Queensland too  . I am in Bundaberg which part do you live in? Also what types of Army vehicle do you have?Kind Regards Lionel
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13-08-09, 22:35
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 . I do not now have a drivers licence or the health to own a real vehicle but I have a hobby in which I research historical vehicals and Australian WW2 one's in particular. While I like CMP's I am more interested in the MCP (Modified Civilian Pattern) Vehicles like your Chevrolet and the Ford and Dodge trucks. With me Armoured Vehicles come a poor second to the real vehicles without which the war would not have been won
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Cheers Cliff Hutchings aka MrRoo S.I.R. "and on the 8th day he made trucks so that man, made on the 7th day, had shelter when woman threw him out for the night" MrRoo says "TRUCKS ROOLE"
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