Looking for Canadian M151A2 Pictures....

[Scott Bentley]

Thanks for the replies..

My focus is on returning the "74 Pattern" to "In Service" configuration for the mid 80's in Canada, prior to replacement by the Iltis, when one could argue all of the TB Mods and Improvements would have been completed.

My other reason for choosing 22 Fd Sqn (Aside from being a Sapper myself) is that this A2 originated in Gagetown NB prior to disposal. If they VMO'd SMP Vehicles between Units in the 80's like we do now, its entirely possible that it may have served in 22 Fd Sqn. I'm praying i'll find a Lazy E under that paint somewhere

The 74 A2 is actually Mike McKinleys, which i'm in the process of acquiring. Mike has done a tremendous job gathering all sorts of info on this A2 as well the 74 Pattern in general. The history of this A2 is well preserved.

I am also acquiring a second 74 A2 from Alberta that will become the Tub donor for the project. It is clearly marked as the DCO's Vehicle from 1 SVC BN. Unfortunately, it is a mechanical basket case, but has a nice rust free, albeit cut Tub. I have saved it from what would have most likely become a low budget ATV for a hunter.

My questions concerning paint are pointed at whether or not these would have been painted with CARC Paint at some point prior to withdrawal from service, and what the "Approved" cam pattern would have been. If not in the CARC Paint, what are the 3 Colors and Paint Type that would have made up the Cam Pattern? Also, many of the Canadian A2's i've seen have a much lighter color Green in the Interior that is different from the exterior colors. I've attached a pic below? Is this a Depot applied paint color, or something that was done at the Unit? It apears to be similar to what we have inside most Armoured Vehicles and CP Boxes currently in service.

My other concern is locating and placement of Stencils, Decals and Stickers under the Bonnet and on the Dash, that would have been somewhat generic to the Vehicle.

If I understand correctly, the TAC Signs and C/S Stenciling styles should be relatively unchanged from what we use now.

When it comes to painting Vehicles and the CF I am amazed and disappointed. Whenever I worked around US Units, I always appreciated how their equipment more often than not, sported fresh paint done "professionally". Other than when receiving a vehicle out of the Depot or back from Refurb, we often resorted to touching up ours with whatever we could find in the paint locker that was purchased locally, and in colors not specifically for the military.

Thanks again.

Scotty

[Ed Storey]

Here are a couple of images from my collection, I have dozens of images of M151A2s that I took during the 1970s and 1980s. I am not sure if 22 Fd Sqn used the M151A2 as not every unit in the CF had them and to complicate matters not every unit within a brigade was using the same 'Jeep'. For example, within Engineer regiments, I know that 2CER in Petawawa did not have the M151A2, but 5RGC did. Even within the SSF, 2 Fd Amb used the M151A2, but 8CH did not.

[Scott Bentley]

Thanks very much for the photos Ed.

If you can spare the time to upload or e-mail some more that would be fantastic.

I'm surprised how difficult it is to find snaps of these. I never had a chance to look in the museum in Petawawa before I left. I have a few contacts up that way that i'm going to try and contact.

The one MUTT has very clear markings, but I can't lower myself to keeping it marked with Hollywood Bde Svc Bn Markings

The other (Mikes) from Gagetown could have been with 8 CH, W Battery, 2 RCR or 22 Fd Sqn. I'll have to ask if he was able to narrow it down.

Hopefully 22 Fd Sqn did in fact use 151's.

Were M151A2s' used in CFE?

[servicepub (RIP)]

One from the ICCS in Vietnam and the other a UNEF peacekeeping photo don't really satisfy your request but I figured "What the Hell, where else am I going to show these?"

[rob love]

From my early days as a militiaman attached to 8CH/RCD gagetown, we had only one M38A1Cdn2 as I recall for the COs rover. But Couger support squadron next door had a mixed bag of both M151s and M38A1s.

CARC did not come into play during the life of the M151A2 in Canada. Back then the paint was IRR (Infr red reflective) It came in 3 clours with NSN of 8110-21-880-9729, 9730 and 9750 (or was it 96XX? A bit of time has passed and the NSNs I committed to memory are starting to become hazy.). The three colours are olive green govt spec #503-321, Black govt spec 512-301, and green 503-319. There was a tan/white colour used on some of them in lieu of the olive on the earliest cam jobs, but by 1976 this colour was phased out near as I can tell.

For conversion of these colours to US specs, check out this webpage: http://hedgehoghollow.com/buzz/Colou.../army_clr.html

There was a CARC introduced in the mid to late 80s in Canada, but while it did not contain lead, it turned out that the formula and the isocyanates were deadly. It was soon dropped and the US formulas for CARC were adopted. These are also quite hazardous to the health when sprayed, and also if any grinding or burning (welding) of the paint is done. That is why you will see the "CARC" letters on many items like cable reels or radio trays...as a warning about the health hazard of the paint. We were supposed to strip the paint with strippers before doing any welding on an area of a vehicle painted with CARC.

M151A2s were in use in CFE. I think I even have something around with the quantities that were over there.

[rob love]

Here are the photos of the cam pattern for the Cdn 1/4 ton vehicles.




In these patterns, #1= olive drab, #2 = black, and #3 = flat (forest) green.

I also have the patterns for the other wheeled vehicles (including trailers) handy, and the patterns for others are buried a bit deeper in my mess of paper in case anyone wants to see those too.

As Scotty mentions, most of the other markings remain the same as used today. These include the callsigns, the unit/brigade identifier, the Canada flags front and rear, and the tire pressure markings over the wheel wells. Decals to be found on the Cdn Mutts included the battery decal, usually located under the hood (disconnect battery before servicing generator or regulator), the "turn off radios before starting or stopping engine", and there was also an antifreeeze decal under there somewhere. All Cdn Mutts also had a Ziebart decal on the windshield frame along with the US "a good driver always...." but these were normally torn off or painted over after a while.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by servicepub

One from the ICCS in Vietnam and the other a UNEF peacekeeping photo don't really satisfy your request but I figured "What the Hell, where else am I going to show these?"

Thanks for posting them here, Clive!

That UNEF peacekeeping photo was made during UNEF II, Golan Heights, right?

Thanks,
Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by servicepub

the other a UNEF peacekeeping photo

Note how well that M151A2 is painted white. Suspension, inside of body, wheels - this was not a quick mask-and-spray-over job.

I know today vehicles are delivered ex-factory in a UN white paint scheme, but these are often (semi-)civilian vehicles manufactured on assembly lines where they are used to paint vehicles in more than one colour

And oh, you guys are aware of the ex-Canadian UN Forces 74 Pattern Jeep surviving in Sweden, aren´t you?

H.

[mike mckinley]

the 151 in the second picture must have taken a hell of a smash..notice the bend in the drivers side fender..looks like the whole front is bent upwards

Originally Posted by Ed Storey

Here are a couple of images from my collection, I have dozens of images of M151A2s that I took during the 1970s and 1980s.

[rob love]

Here is a photo of one of the 30 that I bought out of Shilo back in 1987. They cost $110 bucks each, and all the bodies had to go to the crusher and their destruction witnessed by the CADC guys.



Almost all came with a full tank of fuel. They all had a red X painted across the hoods so the supply guys could recognize that these ones weren't supposed to be sold off in the normal manner.

30 doesn't sound like a lot until you actually have to move them. As to stripping them, I had it down to a science where I could strip one bare in 4 hours. That let me get 4 done in a day.