Canada's War in Color

[Garry Shipton (RIP)]

Just to let Canadians know that the series will be aired again starting at 11:00 PM Tuesday night on CBC Newsworld

[Garry Shipton (RIP)]

For guys on the eastern seaboard , this program airs at 8:00 Pm tonight on Vermont Public television.Was it Roy Brown,a Canadian serving with the Royal Flying Corp or an Auzzie machine gunner in the trenches ??

[Jon Skagfeld]

Everything that I've seen, researched and studied leads to Roy Brown.

The angle of bullet penetration in the airframe of the downed TriDekker points to hits from above, not hits from below.

I've inspected the seat from the Red Baron's plane (located in the display area of the Royal Canadian Military Institute in Toronto).

The seat clearly shows bullet penetration from above, i.e. the flaring out of the bullet hole is downward.

Whilst Australian ground fire could have contributed to further damage, no-one can tell, because the aircraft was fairly soon carved up for souvenirs. No post-accident investigation, no post mortem on the remains.

Originally posted by Jon Skagfeld
Everything that I've seen, researched and studied leads to Roy Brown.

The angle of bullet penetration in the airframe of the downed TriDekker points to hits from above, not hits from below.

I've inspected the seat from the Red Baron's plane (located in the display area of the Royal Canadian Military Institute in Toronto).

The seat clearly shows bullet penetration from above, i.e. the flaring out of the bullet hole is downward.

Whilst Australian ground fire could have contributed to further damage, no-one can tell, because the aircraft was fairly soon carved up for souvenirs. No post-accident investigation, no post mortem on the remains.

If its the British programme I'm thinking of that aired here some time ago then you'll find its the Aussie. They went at it in a very controlled and scientific method using the best forensics.

1. There are quite detailed post mortem notes and sketches in the archives, the fatal bullet did not come from above or behind.

2. The spent, fatal round was found inside the vR's outer jacket, ballistic tests can thus reverse engineer the range and then prove this on the range with similar live ammunition.

3. The course of the Fokker is well documented and the medical opinion of time between hit and death puts the aircraft at exactly the spot where the Aussie would have a shot commensurate with the the determined range and angle. Also, this medical data extrapolates accurately to the crash point.

4. Although at or over extreme range, a light aircraft flying the same course and speed at the actual location, was hit by a green laser "Lewis" gun using a computer generated delay from the range measurement to simulate bullet time of flight and with the gunner using a coloured aiming filter to eliminate any visual strike clues.

R.

[cletrac (RIP)]

In that show they said Brown couldn't have hit the Baron because the plane shook too much. Gimmee a break! Tell that to all the other Camel kills.They went on and on about the gun on the Camel not being accurate enough and then showed how the Aussie one could have hit him from a much greater range. They're the same gun!! That was the most biased investigation I ever saw. The direction the bullet entered his body wouldn't tell very much. They went on like he was flying straight and level. Not a chance! When the Baron was taking fire that little Tripe would be bouncing all over the sky to avoid getting hit. He'd been there before and he knew that violent evasive maneuvers were his only chance. When it gets right down to it anybody that fired even a single shot in the Tripe's direction could have got off the lucky shot but that show set out to prove that it was anybody but Brown.. The controversy probably made them a lot of money on the show and that's what it's all about.

[Garry Shipton (RIP)]

A few points before I respond.In this latest program they state that 1) the 303 bullet went in under the right armpit and exited 2 inches under the Baron's left nipple whereby the spent bullet was found inside his jaxket. 2)The angle of trajectory was from above.At the autopsy the path of the bullet was traced . 3)A shot at one hundred yards would have exploded within his frame damaging his inners .BUT a shot from 600 yards would have lost speed and not damaged internal organs in it's trajectory.4)Another pilot from the Flying circus states that he crashed landed his aircraft on a slow even glide and if killed in the twenty seconds as stared,would have crashed into the ground.5)Skeptics say from the time the alledged Aussie gunner shot,the Baron had only 20 seconds to live,BUT if Brown had got him beforehand he would still be alive looking for a place to set down

As Servicepub states above. the trajectory of the shell into the Baron's seat indicates a shot from above(Why wasn't this fact brought up ??

Lastly,Wilfred (Wop) May was a fellow Canadian being pursued.None of this comaraderie was mentioned.Wop May went on to be one of our heroc bush pilots in Canada's north.

[cletrac (RIP)]

That 303 hardnose bullet wouldn't deform going through several bodies at point blank range. I've shot them through two 24 inch wood trestle beams and they don't deform. I picked the bullet out of the third beam. If you had softpoint hunting ammo that'd be a different story.