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OMVA - Frontenac Show, Aug 17-18, Odessa Ontario
As I am sure many of your know, the FMVA merged with the OMVA last year.
Don't forget to attend our show in Odessa on Aug 17th/18th. We always have a great selection of tanks, APCs, Ferrets, Jeeps, Humvees and other fabulous military vehicles. The Odessa Bivouac 2019 will be held August 17-18th, 2019 in Odessa (Kingston) Ontario at the Odessa Fairgrounds. Dates: Friday, August 16th, 2019 : Historic Military Vehicles arrive for setup. Saturday, August 17th 2019: open to public 09:00 am - 16:00 pm. Sunday August 18th, 2019 : open to public 09:00 am - 16:00 pm Events: There will be many types of Historic Military Vehicles and Military re-enactors with displays & activities. Flea Market and swap on site. -There will be a canteen open for breakfast, Lunch and coffee, etc.. -Visitor parking on site. -Owners of Historic Military Vehicles and Military Re-enactors with displays can camp on site. Admission: Adults $5.00; Children under 12 Free. If you aren't an OMVA member, you will be asked to join the OMVA to display your vehicle at the show. Should you not wish to join we would ask that you donate the same amount as the membership as that is how we pay for the event, BBQ, etc. For more information you can contact me at sfrc@sympatico.ca We are hoping to have over 60 vehicles this year....last year we had over 40. Ryan Harriman
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^"If you aren't an OMVA member, you will be asked to join the OMVA to display your vehicle at the show"
So what if a person just wants to roll in and show a vehicle for a day but has no interest in being a OMVA member ?? |
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OMVA members are entitled to many benefits. The fee to join our club goes to pay for insurance, the magazine etc. If you just want to come out and display your MV which is the same goal as the rest of the members, why not be a part of the club?
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Sorry having to "join the club" to public display a vehicle for a day is just not in the cards, have a good show.
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Forcing Membership, not cool...
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Interpretation
Ryan says "asked".......No arm twisting there. Maybe Ryan and Les mean
exactly that. I would hope that people bringing a vehicle and enjoying the meet would at least be interested in acquiring Club membership. Peter S |
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Guys ! No one is says joining the OMVA is mandatory. Ryan's post says you will be asked to join or you could say encouraged to join.
These fine people that are renting the site are hoping to have enough of us attend to make the event successful. It also takes your money to run the club and in turn we try to find as many ways as possible to show you a positive return on your membership dues. Please support your friends and fellow MV owners and come out. You will for sure have a good time. The fee to join the OMVA is not going to hurt anyone’s bottom line . Let’s not make this about money but let’s also not forget it takes money and peoples combined efforts to make events happen. Please consider coming out to support these guys that are doing such a great job! Hope to see you there. President Of the OMVA Les Fisher
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When we did the show under the FMVA we always had people become members or make donation of the same amount of the membership if they didn’t want to join.
That money goes towards paying for the site, the huge BBQ we put on for everyone displaying, printing flyers and the insurance. We don’t collect money because we want too, we do because we have to pay for the event. Ryan
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The FMVA no longer exists...in all actuality it never really existed in the first place. It was an informal gathering of friends that grew to the point it either needed to become its own entity or merge with another group. We voted to merge with the OMVA for the insurance benefits, the grow the organization and many other reasons. If you had an FMVA membership it would have expired at the beginning of the event in Odessa as that was always our renewal date.
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Each area where the OMVA is going to sanction or sponsor the event, the OMVA will supply event insurance and display our banner. If the odd attendee is not a member then so be it. That will be up to the event organizers. My first comment was why not join?
The event organizers will decide how they wish to run their event. At Aquino for instance you get free admittance when you arrive with your MV. Also the free BBQ is met for you Joe member ! However we have invitees as well. We want the event to see members and non members to attend and enjoy them selves. Once again please come out to support the guys that have worked so hard to plan this for all of us like minded MV owners!
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Mr. Fedak, the Chief Communications Officer for the Kettenkrad Owners Club of Canada (Ottawa) has authorized me to reply to your post in total agreement and support. On a side note as Volkfest seems to not be on are you interested in doing a car show in Barrhaven that day ?
[/IMG] Last edited by James P; 23-07-19 at 01:15. |
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OMVA Frontenac Military Vehicle Event - Bivouac 2019
All is being said Respectfully and in Good Spirit. Over the years I’ve read numerous posts/responses here on MLU threads that tell me there are many folks out there who care about our hobby/interest, even at the expense of possibly being the target of negative thought when posting such responses on a public forum such as MLU or even Facebook. I’m one of them. We all want to move things forward and make this hobby/interest better for everyone. It’s very easy to read tone and thought into someone’s public comment/post…one of the risks of doing this via the internet but we all care.
Having said this, please remember that the purpose of the initial post in this thread…OMVA Frontenac Show or Bivouac 2019 is to remind everyone of the event and encourage all to come out, meet likeminded people, participate, show off your vehicle and most importantly….have fun! Call it preserving history, having fun or whatever you want…none of it is fictitious and there’s a cost in doing this. As already pointed out by both Les and Ryan, the membership fees that we collect pay for things such as liability insurance, event venues, BBQs, trophies, CMP Magazine and all things that make these events and/or contribute towards making our hobby a success in Ontario. Car shows or similar type events that I’ve attended where vehicles are displayed with no charge to the vehicle owner are usually in the parking lot of a plaza (static display) or perhaps an event where a corporate sponsor or some other organization has covered the cost/arranged for the venue. These are great and certainly worth supporting/attending. OMVA events such as Georgetown/Acton, Coe Hill, Milton, Aquino and Odessa are our initiatives and have costs associated with making them happen. Again, it’s the membership fees we collect that cover those costs. We encourage everyone to come out, have fun and consider the benefits of being an OMVA member. We’re sincerely doing our best to answer your questions and concerns but it’s difficult to do this accurately when not speaking face to face or responding via an internet public forum.
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I am an OMVA member and am going if possible.
Events have costs, I am happy to help support that financial burden if asked. The FMVA to OMVA transfer is ancient history as well detailed by Ryan. No one is singled out as not paying, it is a shame if we all don't chip in but that is the reality of life and should not be the reason not to attend. The more vehicles and people who attend in as many different flavours adds to the event. Hope to see as many people who make up this hobby as can attend. A great little event carried off the backs of a very few people who deserve our gratitude for doing all that work. Thanks to Ryan Harriman and Rob and Paul Hudson and Gary McCurdie and all those whose names I forget for doing all the work and making us feel welcome.
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I meant that the FMVA never existed from a legal perspective which was one of the reasons we voted to merge with the OMVA.
The Frontenac Battalion does exist from a legal perspective as it is the legal name of my prop rental business and vehicle collection. I'm not here to fight about this, I am here to promote the event in Odessa. Ryan Quote:
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This years event, BBQ, advertising, etc was paid for by a portion of last years gate fees, dues, etc and next years event will be paid for by those things as well. For the most part this is how we have always paid for the event. Some years we have only put a deposit down for the venue and paid the rest with the next years funds.
Everyone acknowledges the hard work that the FMVA and other groups that attend the Odessa event have put in. The members from Quebec have been instrumental in growing the event as well....they bring some really cool stuff as well. Jonathan Brawshaw brought his Vickers tank reproduction from Alberta last year...that's a lot of mileage to put on a vehicle to attend. Everyone donates their time and resources to make this event happen. I'm not going to list each member but everyone brings something different to the group and helps out in some way. There are no issues with the event rental etc. The insurance certificate has already been provided to them and all is good. All people have to do is show up, have fun and eat lots of BBQ Saturday night. I look forward to seeing everyone at the show, Ryan Quote:
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The FMVA merged with the OMVA for a number of reasons. For me it was mainly due to insurance and liability. Last years event was technically the SFRC Military Vehicle show on paper as I had the insurance for my company extended to cover the event. As my company does numerous off site activities I can't extend it to all of them as I am limited to the number I do per year.
The FMVA membership, who I have been a member since the second year if my memory serves me correctly, has always done an great job organizing the events, shows etc but we grew to the size that we either needed to merge with another group or become an official real organization. What started as an informal gathering of friends tossing money into a hat to pay for a BBQ and a location to gather once a year grew into something much bigger. I am thrilled that everyone's hard word paid off and we created an awesome event that people from the east coast to Alberta attend. The side effect was that we created something so big that we had too, has mentioned above, merge or create our own independent group. I wouldn't say that politics is the death of every hobby. The death of a hobby is the success of your hobby. When your hobby grows past a certain point, which our group did, there are certain liabilities, legal issues etc that come with it. My company started off as a hobby, now I am one of the largest independent sporting goods stores in the country. I know all about the extra issues that arise when your hobby grows. As to the comment about the FMVA reaching out for help from someone and being told to fend for themselves, I am not aware of this and I have been a member since the second year. I do know I have asked the OMVA exec for advise over the years and they have always been helpful. Everyone I have asked from any group has always been helpful. We're all here to make the hobby grow, make new friends, have fun and drive our old green vehicles around. Ryan Quote:
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Now that we've dealt with all of that, onto the most important issue, FOOD!
I anyone coming has any dietary issues...ie no red meat, no meat, or something like that please message me. I'm going to pick up some veggie burgers as well in case someone doesn't eat meat. We'll have hamburgers, hot dogs, veggie burgers, some smoked brisket, pop, water, chips, salads, etc. Basically something similar to the BBQ's we've had other years. It is usually a pretty good feast. Bring a lawn chair or two if you can, we always seem to be short on those. We look forward to seeing everyone at the event. If you aren't able to bring a vehicle to display and just want to stop by the BBQ Saturday night you are more than welcome too. Just toss $5 in the bucket to help cover the costs of the food. Ryan
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At this time we plan to continue holding the event in Odessa unless it becomes a non viable location for some reason. It has a canteen, bathrooms, camping space and room to drive around. Now that we have merged with the OMVA insurance is not an issue.
We haven’t posted on Facebook as much as usual lately but there is an event listing for the show. I am running a Facebook promotion for it which will end up costing me about $1000 that my company covers each year. So far 17,500 people have viewed the post and 515 have indicated they are going or show interest in going. 110 people have shared the post as well. If you haven’t done so I would ask that you share the event on Facebook and invite your Facebook friends. Ryan Quote:
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