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"Indian Pattern odd job"
Bad quality. From Stabelan Magazine, vehicle of the Gadja Merah or Red (=Horny) Elefant Battalion KNIL, Bali, 1946.
Nuyt Overvalwagens! cmpbali.jpg Last edited by nuyt; 13-08-04 at 19:05. |
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Indian Pattern FAT
Nuyt, bad quality, but still a great photo of an Indian Pattern FAT! This is the variant with the so-called armoured cab, but I don't know if it was actually a Cab 13 clad in armour, or whether it was a makeshift Indian cab.
Thanks! Hanno Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 14-12-14 at 23:19. Reason: fixed links |
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Gadjah Merah
Was not the entire Y-Brigade called "Gadjah Merah"? Anyhow the unit was formed in Siam of KNIL ex-POWs. It landed on Bali March 2nd 1946 and left for Sumatra in Dec 1946 leaving 12th Inf Bn on Bali.
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odd job
Heres one to ponder over the hol,s a 15cwt 200 gall tanker but why the crude front end, normallyif the original cab was so badly damaged it would be replaced. I await the comments with interest
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Could you please let me know where/when this pic was taken? In the meantime, compare it with these trucks: indian_fat_5.jpg Cheers, H. |
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Hanno
Sorry old mate i have no details at all on the photo obviously the far east, i would say both shots are from the same fabrication shop yours being the GS version. a quick glance says Bedford but there not, it will be interesting to see how this one develops |
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Hmmmmm
Short wheelbase, 20" wheels... looks like cab 11/12 doghouse... and the rear wheel arch looks suspiciously gun tractor. At a guess I'd say it could've started out as a 7A2 or something similar. Even the fuel tank has the filler in the right place.
It's facing the opposite way, but have a look... http://imagecontrol.com.au/oldcmp/Im...act/cgt11b.jpg Only thing is it looks like the sheet metal has been replaced around it - the piece between where the passenger door is a bit longer, and also the door above is missing.
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Keith, I think your on the right track but I think it may be a cab 13. The back body was similair to the 7A2 but the door was pushed back towards the rear wheel well so the cab 13 could be used.
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I have theory on this one. The pictures appear to be in the Far East. Is it possible that CMP FAT's were shipped in CKD form and only the chassis running gear arrived, the body work was lost in shipping, ie ship sunk or something like that. In order to make something out of a rolling chassis, local body work was made as simple as possible, note no curved panels.
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Richard I tend to agree with you on the CKD bodies not arriving and local bodywork being made up for the chassis.
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Back body
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H. Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 27-10-18 at 11:14. Reason: edited link |
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Re. the "Indian Pattern odd job".
As far as I know, this an Indian Pattern FAT with the so-called armoured cab. However, I don't know if it was actually an armoured cab, or simply a makeshift Indian cab because of a lack of Cab 13 sheet metal? Last edited by Hanno Spoelstra; 23-10-13 at 01:36. Reason: Fixed link |
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Another picture of the "odd job" was posted by Nuyt on the Overvalwagen forum:
Screenshot_2020-05-04 Photobucket albums s105 afnuyt knilarmouredcmpskit jpg.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...redcmpskit.jpg
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And this one?
This is also weird and looks to have cab 12 components, from the same forum:
indianfordarmouredtruckbp.jpg http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s...redtruckbp.jpg
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One of the reasons I think this truck was armoured is the type of mudguards used, They are sort of similar in concept to several armoured car mudguard types, even the Humber a/c and the car Keith posted.
All other FAT variants have the normal mudguards.... |
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But that is because most likely India was supplied with chassis only, and had to make up all the sheet metal parts like mudguards, cab, etc. in relatively simple workshops. The cab parts are most likely made of sheet metal because it looks too thin for armour plating. Also, in those days, they would most likely have bolted or riveted the armour. And there is no armour in front of the radiator.
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And another odd job Indian Pattern in Dutch service during a funeral service for a soldier. NIMH_2002-319-1.tjp.jpg Tanker.jpg NIMH_2002-288-1.tjp.jpg source: https://nimh-beeldbank.defensie.nl
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Another one of those "odd job" tractors serving with Dutch troops in Indonesia shortly after WW2. Photo via fellow KTR member Arjan van den Hoek.
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..does anybody know how many indian pattern FAT survived?
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...none - that I know of?
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Indian Pattern FAT survivor?!?
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177650112_1096455527534063_6497768556325068886_n.jpg NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_11143_cropped.jpg Harley Liebelt wrote (https://www.facebook.com/groups/9458...63715576988438): Quote:
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Tell tale signs?
See how the radiator hoses run horizontal. But the radiator cap doesn't sit in the same place as the original one, though...
177963085_1096455590867390_8999097366700441724_n.jpg ND-107.jpg Have asked the owner if the radiator is set low in the chassis and has a hole in the radiator core to pass the hand crank through. ND-105.jpg
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I hope the owner is able to share some more info on the history of the truck and some pictures...Radiator as you say, but maybe also have a look if there is any other paint left under the orange.....data plates? .... it's definately just as ugly as the original
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More pictures of one of the oddball trucks based on the C291QH 4x4 FAT chassis.
These two pictures show the same truck in service with Dutch armed forces who are repairing electricity cables somewhere along the route Soerabaja - Modjokerto, Indonesia, March 1947. NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_11142.jpg NL-HaNA_2.24.04.03_0_11143.jpg Source: http://proxy.handle.net/10648/15d30a...3-fd46fec9d7d2 | http://proxy.handle.net/10648/c62751...f-b8d8b0dc2cd0
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