POR 15 or Chassis Saver Paint in Ontario

[Stuart Fedak]

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[rob love]

POR-15 is usually available from Canadian tire these days in the quart cans.

I have never tried the chassis saver, and the reports from the web are mixed, with the owner saying they are the same and the odd guy saying the chassis saver is lacking. If they are the same, then it is possible to get bad results with both from as little as a drop of perspiration falling into the can.

While the POR-15 is cheaper by the gallon, too often you will just end up with a huge hockey puck after opening the can a dozen times, or having to destroy the lid to get it off after the paint adheres it shut.

A quick online check shows stock in all the Ottawa area Cdn tires. I personally like checking for stock online. Otherwise, I drive all the way to the store to find they are out, and then spend money on stuff I didn't know I needed.

http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/automo...ontent=Default

[maple_leaf_eh]

Originally Posted by rob love

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A quick online check shows stock in all the Ottawa area Cdn tires. I personally like checking for stock online. Otherwise, I drive all the way to the store to find they are out, and then spend money on stuff I didn't know I needed.

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Who hasn't played that game?

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

I think POR has a public store in Grimsby, just east of Hamilton (Ontario, Canada). They would have their entire range of products and the pricing on line is less than Canadian Tire.

[rob love]

Canadian tire also sells the POR-15 metal prep. http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/me...l#.Vsk7f1JA5Yk

Prior to metal prep, there can be no paint and the metal has to be degreased. For degreaser, I use TSP (trisodiumphosphate), which is available at just about any hardware store.

Personally, there are only two kinds of etching that I like: flash rust or else sandblasting. If you apply POR-15 on a smooth surface, odds are it will peel off like a film sheet.

If you are going to prefair, check to see if they got in those pelican storage containers.... I am looking for one. Am happy to pay reasonable markup and postage. http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ad.php?t=25265

[Jacques Reed]

Originally Posted by rob love

Personally, there are only two kinds of etching that I like: flash rust or else sandblasting. If you apply POR-15 on a smooth surface, odds are it will peel off like a film sheet.

Hi Rob,

I just obtained some Grey POR 15 to paint the insides of my 16" wheel to aid mounting and removal of the tyres as suggested in this forum.

I am new to this product and would welcome some info from forum members who have used POR 15.

I had already painted 5 of them with etch primer and have read the pamphlet that comes with the paint so I don't really want to remove it if I don't have to. The pamphlet does not specifically say it wont stick to other paints so has anyone else painted over etch primer, or any other paint, with POR 15 and found any problems? I did try a small test swatch on the etch primer and even a ball peen hammer would not shift it! That doesn't mean it could not fail to adhere with time however. You can see the shiny grey bit on the upper right side of the wheel.

The comments on peeling off smooth metal are interesting. I went back over the rim with flap disks to smooth out a bit more of the pitting before the POR 15 goes on. (The rims were originally soaked in molasses and water to remove all the rust) I finished it with a 120 grit disk so it is fairly smooth in places. Would there be enough small scratches in the steel from the flap disk to make a good key for the POR 15 or should I go the flash rust method? That's easy enough to do if I brush it with metal prep, wash it off, and leave it overnight.
One of the 5 wheels is virtually a new wheel, smooth, and free of rust so will need "roughening up" on that basis for the POR 15 to adhere.

All ideas on the subject gratefully received.

Cheers,

[rob love]

It is my understanding that the POR-15 leaches into the metal. The surface must be clean of any grease or contaminate. Even wiping the surface down with a chemical that will leave a residue will not give the best results and at worst could cause the paint to peel in a large sheet. I have seen where the POR-15 will fish eye from things like fingerprints or minute amounts of grease.

I cannot say what the results would be with the etch primer. POR-15 does not adhere to other paints, although it will adhere to itself if applied within a few weeks.

The manufacturer also says you need to do one very light coat, then once it has cured, you can go with a heavier coat. Once that coat starts to cure, but you can touch it with your finger without getting paint on your finger, you can top coat. I find that top coating with an enamel at that point the much cheaper enamel will take on some of the properties of the POR-15 like the hardness and resistance to brake fluid. If you wait until the POR-15 has dried, then you have to rough sand it, prime it and then apply your top coat.

If you feel your metal is too shiny, rough it up with some 100 grit emery cloth. That will give the POR-15 something to cling to.

I normally sandblast before applying the POR-15, or else have painted it over rusted surfaces after hitting them with a wire brush to remove any loose material. Both ways look great.

I have sprayed POR-15 form a gun, but you will want to wear a full face mask at a minimum if you go that route. You will also want to clean your gun fairly quickly afterwards. I use xylene to reduce it, and xylene to clean up afterwards. I'll also use it to clean any that I get on my skin. It won't clean it up completely from the skin, but it'll come close. Otherwise, you will be waiting a couple weeks for the top layer of your skin to shed before the paint is gone from your hands. Surgical gloves come in handy when painting or moving freshly painted objects.

There is another thread from not that long ago on the POR-15 and the experience of others. Check it out here: http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ighlight=por15

[Jordan Baker]

Stuart.

I've bought my supply of POR15 products direct from the people in Grimsby. They are great to deal with. Give them a call as they may supply a store in Ottawa. Another option if you'd like, I'd be happy to pickup an order for you and bring to either the OMVA swap meet in a few weeks or up to Ottawa for the Tulip Festival.

The only downside with buying from Canadian Tire is I found at least locally they only stock gloss black and you don't know if it's old stock.

Jacques, the POR15 should stick ok but it may only stick as well as your etch primer sticks. I've found best results is to paint direct to metal. Even when I sandblast I still do the degrease spray/rinse/dry and then spray on the metal prep etch from POR. I let it stand for the required time and then rinse again and let dry. Once it's dry I'll brush off any white powder residue and then paint the POR. If I'm top coating I prefer to use the semi gloss black. The gloss they sell really self levels to a mirror finish and I prefer ha I got a finish with a bit of an edge/surface for the tie coat primer to stick better.

[Bob Carriere]

Malmberg truck centre on Micheal has POR in stock..... always best to callfirst since most of their inventory is located in Gatineau....... you ca cross the birdge and pick it up ot have them send it ot the Michael street location..... more expensive than buying on line.

Trick to save POR.....

Get some cheap canning jars in 500ml or one 1000ml...... open the can.....pour into a paper coffee cup to do the job at hand..... pour the left over in the can into the glass jars as full as possible.....place half of a zip lock sadnwixh bag over the mouth of the jar and screw the lid on tight...... I have kept near full jar of POR for over a year.

Plastic will keep the lid formpermanently gluing itself ot the jar...... the cheaper gallon will yeild over 3 full 1Litre jars

Even used small 250 ml jam jars for small amount of left over quite succesfully.

Remember to put on good thick nytrile rubber gloves before even picking up a can!!!!!

Cheers