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Old 29-11-13, 23:04
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New to me, CDN-3 CFR 70-08889.
Recently rescued from the scrap. Isn't this the brother to the famous crazy 8?
Also noted, side mount pedestal for gpmg in place....
And does 89 refer to a particular call sign, as the jeep also has this number on it in a stand alone position on the dash above the grab bar?
It appears that this jeep was fitted with the extra radio bracing under both rear fenders.
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Old 30-11-13, 08:08
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Chris, what a question you just brought up about crazy 8s.

That jeep was on the DA for the Lorne Scots in Brampton.

I drove it many times, the first time being a rehearsal for an annual inspection held at one of the Air Canada hangars on Airport Road c. 1976.

This vehicle definitely had a pedestal mount for a GPMG, yet Frank von R, who owns it now, says there's no evidence of such an installation.

I've checked with retired members of the Lorne Scots who remember most definitely that a pedestal mount was installed in crazy 8s.

This mount was internally installed a la "Rat Patrol: type, not side mounted as you quote,which would have been an Armoured Recce unit (i.e Queen's York Rangers)

The last two numbers of the CFR do not refer in any way to a call sign.
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Old 30-11-13, 17:30
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Jon, exactly what I was afraid of, was that someone would confuse my query regarding the 89 call sign.
It just so happens that he last digits of the CFR are 89 but there is separately stencilled number 89 right above the grab bar as well. I want to know if 89 is a call sign and if so what it would represent. It appears that this jeep had carried dual radios, so I am wondering if it was a command jeep?
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1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army
1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR
1943 Converto Airborne Trailer
1983 M1009 CUCV
1957 Triumph TRW 500cc

RT-524, PRC-77s,
and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and.......

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Old 30-11-13, 18:07
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Chris: A "commamnd group" jeep call sign would be prefixed by 9 i.e that is the commander, 91 is the Sig O etc.

89 is the call sign for the OC Admin Coy. Beats me why he would have a dual radio set up and a side mounted GPMG???
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Old 30-11-13, 18:35
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Hi Jon
The interesting part to me about MVS is trying to decipher the riddles often posed by the addition or deletion of certain items over their lifespan.
From what I have gathered in my studies of the M38A1, is that they were used over a vast span of time, transferred, bastardized etc.
My 1970 shows signs for example of having the fire extinguisher mounted in both locations, once between the seats and once on the dashboard...
This 1971 I have picked up has its mysteries, perhaps once Scott gets back to me with the CFR info some will be solved.
My 1970 was proven to be an ex militia 1Hussars recce jeep before it ended life in the motor pool at CFB Borden prior to disposal. It is undergoing restoration back to its former glory.
Sadly, I think the 1971 will be relegated to parts only as its pretty tough...
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1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1966 M274A2 Mule BMY USMC
1958 M274 Mule Willys US Army
1970 M38A1 CDN3 70-08715 1 CSR
1943 Converto Airborne Trailer
1983 M1009 CUCV
1957 Triumph TRW 500cc

RT-524, PRC-77s,
and trucks and stuff and more stuff and and.......

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Old 01-12-13, 00:18
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Chris:

What are the serial numbers of your two M38A1CDN3s?

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Old 01-12-13, 00:54
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Hi Jon

My 1970 shows signs for example of having the fire extinguisher mounted in both locations, once between the seats and once on the dashboard...
All (or the majority of) the M38A1 CDN2 and CDN3 should have evidence of the mount in both locations. It was a required modification (CF011) to relocate the extinguisher mount so the smg bracket could go there.


The dash is a very unlikely place for the call sign......usually the OC Adm knows his call sign. Can't say that I have ever seen a call sign on the dash. When it comes to jeeps, usually on the corners of the cowl, or under the doors.

I think that during the changeover from the C42 to the 524 sets, the radio switched sides. This can explain why it would appear to have had dual IKEE. Or, it may have had dual IKEE.....hard to tell.
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