Strange captured vehicle

[Eduard Sorokin]

Dear colleagues !

What is it ? Your opinions ? Click on image to enlarge.
http://cgi.ebay.de/Foto-Deu-Beute-Fa...d=232479227049

[Phil Waterman]

Looks to be Pattern 12 Ford Water Truck probably f60 134 inch wheel base, though from the picture can not tell if the tank unit is Allied.

Cheers Phil

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

I cannot find any evidence of F60S lorries being sent to Egypt...in fact there were no F60S chassis ordered by the British Ministry of Supply until 1943ish. Could it in fact be a F30 ordered under S/M 2003 which as we know were delivered direct to Alexandria?

[Phil Waterman]

Hi David

That is certainly interesting delivery and shipping data you have access to that dissevers a thread of its own I'd love to know what other little gems of information your source may have, but that's a different topic.

Back to identifying the photo, your comment made me reexamine the photo for points which would clarify F30 vs F60, and on closer examination I did note that the truck has the smaller brake drums as used on F30s in the photo below note the space between drum and rim.

One point of clarification that someone may be able to add is at which point did they shift from the smaller drums as used with 16" rims on the larger trucks. Were the the smaller drums and smaller ball units only used on the C30 and F30

My reason for identifying the subject truck as being the 134 wb vs 101 or 158 wb is the space between end of gas tank and rear tires, to much space for the 101 and not enough for the 158 wb.

Can anyone add any information about the tank plumbing is a water or fuel tank from what can be seen?

Cheers Phil

[David_Hayward (RIP)]

The information has been gleaned from years of research, acquired from amongst other places, the Canadian National Archives.

[Haridimos]

The same seller has a photo of a FAT with limber and 25 pouder in German management, on EBAY also:

GERMANY_Fahrzeug gepanzert aus England in Afrika_antikfuchs-ebay_May2011.jpg

[Keith Webb]

Phil I think the 6" steering ends (along with type 400 steering box) were not introduced until well into cab 13 production. This cab 12 has the smaller type 375 steering box. So the point I'm making is both F60S and F30 had the same steering, but usually the F30 was fitted with 16" rims. Pity there aren't more images.
In any case I'd say it is definitely not a F60L. I've not seen this tank configuration on the back before - perhaps it has been adapted from another vehicle?

Originally Posted by Phil Waterman

Hi David

That is certainly interesting delivery and shipping data you have access to that dissevers a thread of its own I'd love to know what other little gems of information your source may have, but that's a different topic.

Back to identifying the photo, your comment made me reexamine the photo for points which would clarify F30 vs F60, and on closer examination I did note that the truck has the smaller brake drums as used on F30s in the photo below note the space between drum and rim.

One point of clarification that someone may be able to add is at which point did they shift from the smaller drums as used with 16" rims on the larger trucks. Were the the smaller drums and smaller ball units only used on the C30 and F30

My reason for identifying the subject truck as being the 134 wb vs 101 or 158 wb is the space between end of gas tank and rear tires, to much space for the 101 and not enough for the 158 wb.

Can anyone add any information about the tank plumbing is a water or fuel tank from what can be seen?

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Yes, that is what sprung to my mind, as it reminded me of a picture I saw on this forum (will look it up later).

Definitely not factory fitment, so it is either of local assembly or a field modification.

Here you go, compare the subject vehicle with some pictures of water tank trucks as seen in the thread Unusual desert ( INDIAN ? ) Chev.

Possibly it was a version assembled & used in the Middle East only?

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Below is an AWM pic showing an Aust water truck version:

Originally Posted by David_Hayward

1939 VA Model or 1940 WA Model water carrier truck. These were assembled by General Motors Near East Limited in Rue Ptolomees, Alexandria, Egypt and were originally in a WO census series L 39000 to 39515 Contract V 3352 LORRY 30 CWT. 4 X 2 GS/WATER TANKERS 266 UNITS GS AND 84 WATER
133-INCH WHEELBASE for Egypt.



This is identical to an official GM photo of a water truck in their 1944 book and also the WHEELS & TRACKS issue's. I believe that these are '40 WAs now from studying the front radiator grille. The 158 1/2" w.b. Egyptian trucks referred to were of course WBs

[zemsi]

The auctions just closed. Unbelievable prices:

Euro 406 for the Water Tank Blitz
Euro 335 for the Gun Tractor