When did production of the #13 cab begin?

Ryan · #1 16-04-09, 11:55

I have just purchased a shorty Ford F15 4x2 Blitz, number 13 cab.
It was last registered for road use in 2007 and on the sticker it says it is a 1941 Ford. I thought #13 cabs were 1942 or later. So my question is when did Ford begin production of the #13 cab. Did Australian production start at the same time as Canadian?
I don't have a chassis number yet and the data plate is missing.

jim sewell · #2 16-04-09, 12:27

It came out in Canada in late 41 according to Bill Greggs book, both Ford and Chev.
Regards
Jim S.

Keith Webb · #3 16-04-09, 13:30

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Originally Posted by rynoki

I have just purchased a shorty Ford F15 4x2 Blitz, number 13 cab.
It was last registered for road use in 2007 and on the sticker it says it is a 1941 Ford. I thought #13 cabs were 1942 or later. So my question is when did Ford begin production of the #13 cab. Did Australian production start at the same time as Canadian?
I don't have a chassis number yet and the data plate is missing.

OK, let's see some pictures then!

1941 is wrong. We didn't have cab 13s until 1942 as far as I'm aware. Is it a Canadian or Australian production vehicle? We had both types.

What's it's recent history as far as you know, Ryan?

Sounds like a nice purchase.

Hanno Spoelstra · #4 16-04-09, 13:37

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Originally Posted by rynoki

I have just purchased a shorty Ford F15 4x2 Blitz, number 13 cab.

It is the one from nr Broken Hill. N.S.W.?

Ryan · #5 16-04-09, 13:48

Thanks Jim.
No Hanno it's not the Broken Hill Blitz. That would be good though.
Keith, this is one that was just up the road from me. Been in the same family for decades. Been a farm fire tender. Double springs on the rear.

Hanno Spoelstra · #6 16-04-09, 14:01

Ryan,

Nice find!

jim sewell · #7 16-04-09, 14:13

Ryan
Here is an extract from Norm Darwins book " History of GM in Aust "

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CMP vehicles
Engineering of CMP vehicles commenced at Woodville ( S Aust ) on September 1941 when the first parcel of data was received from the contractor , the UK Ministry of Supply , via GM Canada . The Blitz was produced in both Chev and Ford chassis with GMH only handling the GM chassis .

Of all the pictures I have seen in both of Norm's books on GMH I have only seen number 13 cabs . Looking at the production figures for Woodville military bodies , it appears production for CMP's started in 1942.

Regards
Jim S.

David_Hayward (RIP) · #8 16-04-09, 18:50

Another question that needs research (by me)!

Chervolet # 13 Can production may have started with 1942 Models, serial # 284XX0001. Prototype C8A HUP # 284450006 was supposedly built in February 1942 but it has an earlier, 1941 Model engine. I have to suggest that the evidence for Oshawa plant is therefore 'from February' or perhaps March, 1942.

As regards Windsor, I have no information save that there is a photo in one of Dr Gregg's books of the plant with # 12 and # 13 cab trucks which was at the change-over. demand S/M 2126 and 2127 were for C60S and F60S trucks for Australia, and included both # 12 and # 13 cabs I gather. One to 2126 was assembled in September 1942. I can only suggest that Australian production was a few months later than Canadian.

Keith Webb · #9 16-04-09, 22:58

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Originally Posted by rynoki

Thanks Jim.
No Hanno it's not the Broken Hill Blitz. That would be good though.
Keith, this is one that was just up the road from me. Been in the same family for decades. Been a farm fire tender. Double springs on the rear.

Is that a small radiator I can see? It looks like one I saw many years ago in a newspaper article. I think that one had a Holden motor.

Going by the roof it's Australian production.

Ryan · #10 16-04-09, 23:14

Thanks again Jim and David. When I get the chassis number it may shed more light on the matter.
keith you are correct about the smaller radiator. It has a Holden 179 engine and holden gearbox. Do you still have the picture you saw in the newspaper?

Keith Webb · #11 16-04-09, 23:23

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Originally Posted by rynoki

Thanks again Jim and David. When I get the chassis number it may shed more light on the matter.
keith you are correct about the smaller radiator. It has a Holden 179 engine and holden gearbox. Do you still have the picture you saw in the newspaper?

I may have it somewhere, but I doubt it as I haven't come across it lately. Just shows the old memory is still functioning though!

Jason Ginn · #12 10-10-09, 00:48

I am not certain if this helps but I recently found this Cab 13 C60L in Thorne, Quebec dated January 13, 1942 on the dataplate. The truck was a "Gas-2" petrol carrier but had last been used as a snow plow/salter combo. I thought that it was odd that the army registration number "64.914" was painted on the first coat of yellow paint. It may have last been used by the RCAF but i thought that they had a seprate numbering sytem for vehicles.

J

cletrac (RIP) · #13 10-10-09, 03:18

Here's a March 1942 Cab 13 data plate

cletrac (RIP) · #14 10-10-09, 03:36

Here's an earlier one.

cletrac (RIP) · #15 10-10-09, 04:36

Jason must have slipped that Jan 13 1942 one in when I was looking for my March plates. Here's a Nov 7 1941 Cab 12 so we have it narrowed down to within 67 days. Does anyone else have any in between?

cletrac (RIP) · #16 10-10-09, 04:49

After that last post I remembered these Nov 11 41 trucks so we're down to between Nov 11 1941 and Jan 13 1942.

Tony Smith · #17 29-11-11, 12:38

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Originally Posted by David Hayward

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Originally Posted by Jason Ginn of Ontario

I am not certain if this helps but I recently found this Cab 13 C60L in Thorne, Quebec dated January 13, 1942 on the dataplate. The truck was a "Gas-2" petrol carrier but had last been used as a snow plow/salter combo. I thought that it was odd that the army registration number "64.914" was painted on the first coat of yellow paint. It may have last been used by the RCAF but i thought that they had a seprate numbering sytem for vehicles.

J

Aussie Gas-2
I was impressed by the data off the January 1942-build Gas-2! That is the earliest known (to me) 1942 MODEL C60L, and was clearly an Oshawa build for the Australian Government and not a) a Ministry of Supply order for Australia and b) a Holden-assembled truck.

David, why do you claim this to be an Aussie build??? Seems to me it never left Canada!

David_Hayward (RIP) · #18 29-11-11, 16:12

I have amended the offending word. It was clearly a CDLV contract!

Phil Waterman · #19 30-11-11, 00:27

Hi All

Years ago I had the pleasure of corresponding with Bart Vanderveen about when certain changes were made to HUPs. At that time some of the data bases which are now available were not. Bart's approach was to look at the changes in part numbers which often include notation of before or after such and such a serial number. Knowing the basic dates of the serial numbers to production dates gives a fairly tight dating. At that time Bart was trying to collect copies of all the various HUP parts books, I mailed him a June 1945 version.

Also at the CMP Forum in 84 memory says there was a discussion of when stuff happened, and a comment was made that cut dates are not as hard and fast as people might thing because parts in process could be used up after the change over date.

Cheers Phil

Stew Robertson · #20 30-11-11, 03:44

You are right Phil I remeber that story very well It was not as cut and dried as everyone was led to believe
I have the tapes but I am having a little problem desiphering them
I will try to find the answer
Stew