Crap.

The other tenants boyfriend who stays in the apartment other side of the wall from me shot himself tonight. The woman RCMP Officer told me it looked consistant with suicide/him shooting himself when I asked her "How do you know he shot HIMSELF". She didn't know if he survived/will survive or not.

I'm frazzled as I react and think about it all after the fact and what it all means or could have meant. All sorts of thoughts pop into my head, like the womans daughter and granddaughter staying just below that apartment and me this side of the wall, and don't bullets go through walls and floors. Mind racing here.

This is absolutely insane that there was a loaded gun in the apartment next to me in the hands of people who abuse alcohol, have physically violent and emotional tempers and topss each other about sometimes etc .......... good lord. This is crazy here.

Ma

BTW ... almost an hour before the woman Officer knocked on my door, someone else knocked on my door but I don't answer my door late at night. That was about 10 pm. I don't know who was knocking at my door but am very glad I didn't answer. The RCMP woman had to be persistant before I peeked out my wondow to see a flashlight and then peeked out my door to see her pants, THEN I opened the door telling her she scared the crap out of me as to who might be at my door that time of night and that I usually never answer.

This is all just too much scarey and insane behaviors around here for me.

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Vets Dottir 2nd

BTW ... almost an hour before the woman Officer knocked on my door, someone else knocked on my door but I don't answer my door late at night. That was about 10 pm. I don't know who was knocking at my door but am very glad I didn't answer. The RCMP woman had to be persistant before I peeked out my wondow to see a flashlight and then peeked out my door to see her pants, THEN I opened the door telling her she scared the crap out of me as to who might be at my door that time of night and that I usually never answer.

This is all just too much scarey and insane behaviors around here for me.

Hi ma..
On the positive side of your adventure,peace and quiet will probably be a little more achievable now..be carefull what you wish for..

In this sad situation its not how I'd like peace and quiet to come no matter how much I'd like to be anywhere but around the behaviors that have been happening and causing problems for the rest of us and would like to see them moved out. I have no update as to whether he survived or not. Its still only 5:00 am or so here. I really know very little details and couldn't give much info to the RCMP Officer but gave enough to satisfy her I guess.

I just wonder how the hell a gun could go off in this house in another apartment and me not notice the different sound and KNOW it was a gun shot???? very strange? No? Yes? though there was a lot of loud banging off and on. I think what I thought was a very hard slammed bedroom window in their apartment may have been the big bang of the gun, in thinking back. I dunno. Normal to hear loud sounds/bangs/bumps etc from there sometimes so didn't think much about it. There was a lot of people and activities and loudness off and on throughout the day and evening over there so it just sort of blended in for me I guess.

Ma

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Vets Dottir 2nd

In this sad situation its not how I'd like peace and quiet to come no matter how much I'd like to be anywhere but around the behaviors that have been happening and causing problems for the rest of us and would like to see them moved out. I have no update as to whether he survived or not. Its still only 5:00 am or so here. I really know very little details and couldn't give much info to the RCMP Officer but gave enough to satisfy her I guess.

I just wonder how the hell a gun could go off in this house in another apartment and me not notice the different sound and KNOW it was a gun shot???? very strange? No? Yes? though there was a lot of loud banging off and on. I think what I thought was a very hard slammed bedroom window in their apartment may have been the big bang of the gun, in thinking back. I dunno. Normal to hear loud sounds/bangs/bumps etc from there sometimes so didn't think much about it. There was a lot of people and activities and loudness off and on throughout the day and evening over there so it just sort of blended in for me I guess.

Ma

Ma ..
It depends on the situation and method used when the gun is fired..
Noise comes from the explosion of powder AND the speed of the bullet breaking the sound barrier,much like a jet that makes a "sonic boom" when it breaks the sound barrier..
If the gun is fired when it is held against the body,there is only the bullet explosion sound and the "sonic boom" does not occur ,as the bullet must pass through an air space..
So although there will be noise it may be muffled or reduced ,and it depends what calibre of gun is used..
A .22 short is sub sonic and is quite quiet when muffled,but will kill you just as dead as a larger bullet..but usually when one decides to commit sewer pipe with a gun,noise is the least of there worries..

My only real experience with hearing guns go off, that I can recall, is when I was a teenager out deerhunting with my fiance and foster brother, and then that was a rifle shot with the long drawn out sound. I've called cops a couple of times in past to report what I thought were gunshots, they sounded like the drawn out sounds hunting rifle shots but who knows, coulda been backfires? Never really thought about "distance" and differences that would make as to sound (why would that occur to me?) so thanks for pointing that out to me. Makes total sense to me.

You know, I've just been assuming the guy used a handgun. A rifle never occurred to me, but someone asked me what kind of gun was used, rifle or hand, but I don't know. I know zip about guns except there are rifles and handguns and what I call soldiers guns like now of course, thanks to MLU edumacation I can name bren guns and sten guns etc (makes me miss Rupert!!!) but I still don't know what they sound like in real life. TV shots is about all I have to compare things to and I'm sure the sounds are really different in real time.

All joking aside, this sucks here.

Ma

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Vets Dottir 2nd

This is absolutely insane that there was a loaded gun in the apartment next to me in the hands of people who abuse alcohol, have physically violent and emotional tempers and topss each other about sometimes etc ......

Ma

I don't want to preach to the masses here but responsible gun-owners are well served when idiots like this are reported to the police (that's assuming you know he/she owns a gun). The Firearms Centre mainatains a phone line to report gun issues like this. If more people would drop a dime on these idiots we would have fewer Dawson's and the responsible gunowner would benefit by not being lumped in with these ass-holes. Call 1-800-731-4000 and listen for the prompt that brings you to the Public Safety extension.

I had no idea any guns were in their apartment, whether hunting or hand, and had I known, with my experience of their explosive physical violence ways when upset and how they threaten each other etc, I would have been extremely upset to know. Very dysfunctional over there and tragedy bound to happen eventually. My first thought when the woman RCMP officer said he shot himself was that he didn't, but she said it all looked and was consistant with him shooting himself. I know it could as easily been the other way if domestic dispute and violence were happening. They just "lose it" with each other sometimes.

I agree, people whose ways and lives are run like that have no biz having guns because they likely will use them violently sometime, usually against someone else though.

[sapper740]

Originally Posted by servicepub

I don't want to preach to the masses here but responsible gun-owners are well served when idiots like this are reported to the police (that's assuming you know he/she owns a gun). The Firearms Centre mainatains a phone line to report gun issues like this. If more people would drop a dime on these idiots we would have fewer Dawson's and the responsible gunowner would benefit by not being lumped in with these ass-holes. Call 1-800-731-4000 and listen for the prompt that brings you to the Public Safety extension.

Good advice, the sooner we lock up the crazies and KEEP them locked up the better off we all will be. Domestic violence is a serious issue and I hope a physical search for weapons is made every time police are called to a dispute. I say physical because, of course, unregistered guns won't show up on the computer. Police in Canada now routinely ask women whether they have any opposition to their ex-spouse renewing their F.A.C. (I believe y'all call it a P.A.L. now). I was dismayed to hear of this requirement after my divorce because ESoS (Evil Spawn of Satan), otherwise known as my ex-wife revelled in the glory of creating grief for me. Fortunately, I was very well known both to the Firearm's Community and RCMP in Langley and after warnings about uttering false statements, ESoS admitted she had no REAL opposition to renewing of my FAC/PAL.
However, I can already hear the harrumphing of Liberal politicians in Ottawa as they queue for the mike on the floor of the House of Commons to decry the lax gun laws in Canada which allow such tragedies as the one in Cranbrook. I'm sorry Ma, am I rambling? None of this is meant to take away from what you must be experiencing, I just hope that now things will settle down next door and peace will once again reign. Derek.

What is FAC/PAL? I'm assuming the first part of FAC is fire arms???

Pretty quiet around here as I'm the only one in the house since the afternoon after this happened when I'm sure everyone knew by then he had passed away. The womans daughter and kid who were staying downstairs (while waiting to move into their house) have not been back to spend time or nights there since they found out what happened.

The less aggressive and more peaceful one from that apartment is no longer with us so the quiet and uneventfulness may be short lived until she comes home and things will be same old same old scenarios I'm sure. Haven't talked to the landlord since the night it happened and next time we talk or get together we will be talking about a lot regards the situations in this house and about actually doing something, unpleasant as it is.

Ma

[sapper740]

Originally Posted by Vets Dottir 2nd

What is FAC/PAL? I'm assuming the first part of FAC is fire arms???

Ma

The Firearms Acquisition Certificate was replaced around the turn of the century by the Possession and Acquistion Licence. Derek.

Thanks Derek

BTW ... have just been chatting with a neighbor from the next house over and was told that my landlord told them yesterday what happened her, and the good news that I hope is true, that the woman/tenant has been told she has to move out so she is moving out ... please let this be true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! And let landlord actually screen and be careful about who he rents to this time. PLEASE!!!!

Ma