War Department Numbers

[cletrac (RIP)]

I was checking my period pix and decided to make a list of the CZ prefix War Dept numbers. These are the ones with the photo notation at the end. Next I got the numbers off the Canadian Register site and added them. Some of the Canadian Registry entries seem out of sync but they could be numbers somebody invented for their restoration.

1. CM195371 Chev sedan
2. CM1164447 Ford Station Wagon
3. CM1165332 Ford Station Wagon
4. CM4202080 Ford sedan
5. CZ4204396 F15 2A1 Cab 11
6. CZ4204062 F15 2A1 GS 1 Cab 11
7. CZ4204797 F8 1A1 Pers1 Cab 11
8. CZ4204834 F15 2A1 Cable 1 Cab 11
9. CZ4204994 8cwt 1A1 Pers1 Cab 11
10. CZ4205245 F15 2A1 GS1 Cab 11
11. CZ4205649 C15 2A1 GS1 Cab 11
12. CZ4206605 F15 Cab 11
13. CZ4206844 15cwt 2B1 AAAT2 Cab 11
14. CZ420???? 15 cwt 2B1 ATT2
15. CH4207357 Artillery tractor Cab 11
16. CZ4210143 C8A HUM Cab 13
17. CZ421344? C15 2E1 water Cab 12
18. CZ4213512 C15A Water Cab 12
19. CZ4213659 C15 2B1 Cab 13
20. CZ4214008 C8A HUC Cab 13
21. CH4217647 Medium artillery tractor
22. CZ42281?? C15 Water Cab 13
23. CZ4228552 C8A HUP Cab 13
24. CM4233904 Chrysler sedan
25. CM4242313 Jeep
26. CX4244056 Artillery Tractor Cab 13
27. CM4245668 wrecker
28. CL4247550 C60L Cab 13
29. CL4247857 C60L Gas Cab 13
30. CZ4254984 F15A Cab 13
31. CZ4255794 C8A HUW Cab 13
32. CZ4256001 F15A Cab 13
33. CZ4256418 F15A Cab 13
34. CZ4257434 C15A 2C1 Van Cab 13
35. CZ42563?? F15A Cab 13
36. CZ4258169 15 cwt White
37. CZ42590?? F15A house body Cab 13
38. CZ4285706 15 cwt Cab 13
39. CZ4285711 F15 Cab 13
40. CL4283572 C60L Caravan Cab 13
41. CZ4287905 C15TA Cab 13
42. CZ4287946 C15TA Cab 13
43. CZ4287985 C15TA Cab 13
44. CZ4288020 C15TA Cab 13

If anyone has any C numbers to add from period pix I'll put them in the list.
I deleted all of the Canadian Register because they were so out of sync.

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's a page from Canada's Fighting Vehicles with info about the Canadian overseas War Dept numbers. The CZ numbers are for the 8 cwt and 15 cwt vehicles. The 30 cwt and 60 cwt got the CL prefix. I made this list to see what numbers would be appropriate for the different cab styles. The CZ series seems to start with 4200000 and go to around 4300000. I'm sure that Canadian Register 5791190 is bogus as well as a few others. Perhaps we can post wartime pix with the visible numbers and avoid this kind of confusion.

[Rich Payne]

I've posted this one before but not sure where.

A1940C4103150C5109W4749.jpg
http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...C5109W4749.jpg

Please ignore the caption. He's not a messenger but RCMP

Rich

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by cletrac

If anyone has any CZ numbers to add preferably from period pix I'll put them in the list.

David,

It would be best to relay on period pictures and documents, or only restored trucks with a documented provenance.

Here are some census numbers from the thread Wartime pictures wanted: CMP F15A, all F15A´s with Cab 13:

• CZ4254984
• CZ4256001
• CZ4256418
• CZ4285711

When I find more I´ll post them here.

- Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Cross reference to same subject discussed a few years back: War Dept. numbers.

- Hanno

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Period document, a road accident report, listing 1st Cdn Army Ford 15cwt truck with vehicle W.D. number CZ4206605 (read more on my web page).

road_accident_report_1.jpg

[cletrac (RIP)]

Here's five from Canada's Fighting Vehicles. I was kind of surprised that the White fit the category.
Note the two penthouses on the HUP.

CZ4210143.jpg CZ4214008.jpg CZ4228552.jpg CZ4255794.jpg CZ4258169.jpg

[Phil Waterman]

Over the years there have been two attempts to collect WD numbers from CMPs both John Merchant and Peter Ford tried to collect this information from CMP owners. In corresponding with both of them one of the issues was the originality of the numbers reported.

When I first restored my HUP I put it in the markings of a Canadian Unit at the close of the war. The WD number on the door was totally bogus taken form the vehicles serial number, yes now I know that there is no correlation but then I didn't. After having learned the true history of my HUP and found proof my marking problems were solved.

Thus I think you have probably hit on the best route to a list of WD numbers and matching vehicles. Gleaning through the photo archives that were not readily accessible before the web.

Cheers Phil

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Excellent work!

But a few minor corrections:

Originally Posted by cletrac

CZ4205245 C15 2A1 GS1 Cab 11

This is an F15, not a C15. Note the push bar. The paint circle on the front cowl is misleading.

Originally Posted by cletrac

CZ4205649 15cwt 2A1 GS1 Cab 11

C15, also note the push bar.

Originally Posted by cletrac

CZ4206605 F15 Cab 11

The road accident report lists a "Ford 15-cwt", could be an F15 or F15A with any type of cab.

Originally Posted by cletrac

CZ4285711 F15 ATT Cab 13

Ford_F15A_CZ4285711_resized.jpg

Why do you list this as an ATT?

Keep up the good work, I´ll post any other numbers I find here to add them to the list.

Cheers,
Hanno

[cletrac (RIP)]

Hanno, I made the corrections. I called the one an ATT by mistake. I had a similar picture of one pulling a 6 pounder instead of the trailer.

[cletrac (RIP)]

Phil, the number that you posted is for a vehicle that never went overseas and as such is a different numbering system. I'm going to expand this to include all of the softskins so I'll post these.

CZ4287985.jpg CM4245668.jpg CH4207357.jpg

CZ420----.jpg CX4244056.jpg

[cletrac (RIP)]

I'm scanning the C series pix from Canada's Fighting Vehicles. Here's the first five.

CH4217674.jpg CM195371.jpg CM4233904.jpg

CM4202080.jpg CM4242313.jpg

[Jim Price]

Can somebody tell me when my F8, serial no. 1G-6461 F*, was manufactured and what the appropriate War Department CZ number I could add to it would be?

Thanks!
Jim

[Hanno Spoelstra]

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Hope this helps.