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Captured British truck in German service: ID wanted
See WW2 german AFRIKAKORPS photo Crew on lorry Wehrmacht wh showing a "Group of Afrika-Luftwaffe Sodiers on a desert-wehrmacht-lorry". This is obviously a captured British truck (possibly in Caunter scheme camouflage), but what type? It go me stumped, and I don't have my references at hand to look it up. Who can enlighten us?
Note it has a German Notek lighting system and Wehrmacht (WH) or Luftwaffe (WL) registration added, which denoted it was not a temporary ride picked up off the battlefield. Thanks, Hanno |
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I think it is a Morris Commercial, but I am not sure what type.
I believe one of the first pages of "British military Transport" by David Jane, shows a picture of a similar truck from the front, but I don't have the book here. Alex van de Wetering |
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Could it be a Morris Commercial CS11/30?
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CS11/30
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This seems to be one also, still stowed on board of SS Thistlegorm... Source: http://www.taucher.net/redaktion/2/show.html?topic=9 |
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CS11/30
CS11/30's were used as makeshift 2-pdr Portees as well...
"A towed 2 Pounder Anti-tank Gun with wheels removed and mounted on the back of a Morris CS 11 30 Cwt 4x2 truck. The truck body has been removed and a wooden frame built to carry the legs of the gun’s ground mount. Note the variety of headdress." Source: Anzac Steel > AUSTRALIAN ARMOUR ON CYPRUS |
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Captured British truck in German service: ID wanted
Hanno/Alex;
I would have to say that it is a Morris-Commercial CS11/30, open cab variant. The registration is definitely Luftwaffe (WL), those being Luftwaffe personnel in the truck rear. A picture of a Morris-Commercial CS11/30, closed cab variant: Hope this helps
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A Morris CS11/30 it definitely is. Look at Vanderveen's first edition of FVD page 145 which has a good shot with lots of identifiers. I also have 3/4 other shots of both open and closed cab variants that are unfortunately second or third generation copies and not suitable for posting that indicate the same ID.
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Mark,
That's the picture I was looking for! Thanks for posting it here, I didn't have the oppertunity to look for the David Jane book and scan the picture. Alex |
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Only one CS11/30
I had the walking Morris encyclopedia here today, he says only the first picture from Hanno with the Luftwaffe crew is a CS11/30, all the rest are the military WD10/40 trucks and even Vanderveen has got this wrong since these mil types are based on the CS10/80 (10ft WB and 80cwt) not the 11/30 (11ft WB and 30cwt) although they look like it.
Simply put its a C range truck, Six cyl engine, 10ft wheel base and 2 ton (40cwt) capacity. The mil WD10/40 "version" of the 11/30 has some noticeable differences: Chassis size and width Bull bar position Headlights (on bull bar not wings) Wheelbase (10ft) Bonnet Scuttle Mudguards. R. |
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Re: Only one CS11/30
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Mark's picture is a CS11/30 - has the full civvy mudguards that join to the running-boards. R. |
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MCC (military) CS10/3080 and CS11/
I am desperate for any pix of the military versions of the circa 1936 MCC 10/80 with 10 FT 6 IN WHEELBASE 2-tonner...77 ordered in 1936 with some already working in Egypt, and CS11/30 20-cwt with provision for sand tyres..bodies as ambulances (123) and 71 as G/S lorries.
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David,
Are you a tied agent as far as Vintage Roadscene is concerned? Couldn't you write for Classic Military Vehicle Magazine in the UkK? They could sure use someone like you with the knowledge & expertise - and the photo resources!
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Larry Hayward |
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Mag writing
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DavidH, b. Hampton 31 August 1955, lived Feltham 1955-65 and Hounslow 1965-81, all in the County of Middlesex. PS I have a couple of shots of a WD 1936 CS11/30 and a 193x CS11/40 going in VRS shortly...the latter is a tipper with open cab. Back then a MCC CS11/30 was about £260 per unit to the taxpayer. Last edited by David_Hayward (RIP); 15-11-05 at 15:36. |
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egyptian vehicles
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