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16-11-10, 01:32
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302 in carrier
A very good friend wants to drop a 302 in his Mk 1 Carrier to give it some power.
It currently has a flahead with a thrown rod. Any ideas on what adapter kit he will need and will it fit?? Peter Simundson 
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16-11-10, 03:03
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obviously not knowing what a 302 is myself, i would perhaps get the lad to do a bit homework on what sort of stress the running gear on the carrier will be able to take. My thoughts are of diffs being shredded etc.
just a thought though buddy
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16-11-10, 03:37
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A 302 will fit, but a Small Block Chev will be slightly more compact and is better supported by availalbe adapters.
Bellhousings adapters for either the 302 Ford or the SB Chev frequently appear on US E-bay, while several manufacturers such as Hurst and Wilcap make front support brackets that drop the SB Chev straight onto the original Ford front mounts, thus not requiring any irreversible changes to your carrier. The 302 will take some fabbing of eng mounts. The original Carrier/CMP gearbox and Diff will easily stand up to the power and torque of a stock 302 or Chev.
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16-11-10, 04:00
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302 ford v8
A well known aussie amoung us put a 302 in a carrier fairly recently. Colin Jones and his mortar carrier ( Aust ) was featured extensively here. I'm sure Colin will be able to help out.
Geez I hope I got that right. It was a 302 and not a 351 wasn't it? Ryan
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16-11-10, 04:20
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When I get around to working on my Carrier, I'm going to use the carrier style 239 flattie and put in a 255 Merc crank and rods and pistons. This way you end up with 255 cubes and 130 hp instead of the 85 hp and it looks original.
If you do go with a newer style engine, I'd stick with the 302 Ford or 305 Chev. A 351 Ford or 350 Chev would be overkill and you'd end up breaking a lot of components. Another trouble with the newer engines is you'll lose that distinct flattie sound. It can't be duplicated.
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16-11-10, 17:55
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Can I have the old engine?
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01-12-10, 20:27
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There were 2 302 engines sold in Australian by Ford both were from different engine families.
The 302 Australian (only made for the OZ market & also called a 302C ,C for Cleveland) and the 302 Small Block The Australian 302 is a 335 series family engine also known as the Cleveland's The 335 Series engines consisted of the 302C, 351C, 351M and the 400. The 400 has a 1/2" higher deck height to accommodate the 400's 1/2" longer stroke. The 351M (M for modified) also has the 1/2" higher deck as it is a 400 with the stroke shortened by a 1/2" The 400 and 351M also utilized the larger 385 Series engines (370, 429 ,460, 492) bell housing bolt pattern. The 302C and the 351C use the small block bell housing pattern. The more common 302 (AKA 5.0L) the one all us over here in NA know is a Small Block Ford engine. The Small Block Ford engine family consists of the 221,255, 260, 289, 302, 302 Boss (a 302 with 351C type cylinder heads) and the 351W (W for Windsor). The 351W has a 1/2" higher deck to accommodate the 1/2" longer stroke in the Windsor. The Small Block Ford's and 335 Series engines have the same bore spacing and head bolt pattern. Making swapping the better breathing canted valve heads from the 335 series on to the small block quite easy. This was the basis of the 302 Boss of Can Am racing fame. The Small Block 302 is very frequently called a 302 Windsor this is incorrect labelling of the of the 302 Small Block Ford. So Ryan I assume you are talking about a 302C that was swapped in the carrier and not a 302 since you mentioned it could also be a 351. And I do not think the 351W was ever sold in OZ in carburated form. Dimentionally the Small Block Ford's (excepting the Windsor) are smaller than the Small Block Chev's (SBC's). If you swap in a small block chev I would opt for an eariler 283 and avoid the later 302SBC as it is a pig of motor and shares little in common with the 302SBC of Can Am fame. You also have the option of using a 4.3L Chev V6 They are bullet proof cheap and easy to find and are basically a 350 Chev with 2 cylinders hacked off. Matthew
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01-12-10, 21:10
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Wow Mathew
What an info loaded post. I thought the "V" angle was different between a Cleveland, and a Windsor (351) (I know very little about these v8's)
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