How can we fit all the CMPs we have in Australia

[Keith Webb]

And this also explains why our border raids can be somewhat epic.

This graphic was emailed to me; I don't know it's original source.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Kinda puts things in perspective, eh?

[cletrac (RIP)]

Geoff, they need one comparing Australia to Canada. 4300 km from Vancouver and you'd barely be into Ontario!

[Lang]

Here is Australia/USA - working on Canada

[Lang]

Can't find a superimposed Australia/Canada Map but:

Canada = 9,631,418 Sq Kilometres
USA (including Alaska) = 9,093,507 Sq Kilometres
Continental USA = 7,663,941 AND .71! Sq Kilometres
Australia = 7,617,930 Sq Kilometres
European Union = 4,324,782 Sq Kilometres (If you take the area right across to the Urals - the technical area of Europe, this figure is doubled)

[Lang]

Originally Posted by cletrac

Geoff, they need one comparing Australia to Canada. 4300 km from Vancouver and you'd barely be into Ontario!

David,

According to Canadian Government mapping:

Vancouver to Quebec City 3,792.5 Kilometres
Vancouver to Halifax 4,428.75 Kilometres

All the Northern Hemisphere continents are upwards of 1/3 bigger than they should be on a Mercator map (the equator is not in the middle) and this gives the impression of larger size. Also because Canada and Europe are so far north they have been stretched to fit on a flat bit of paper. In the far north of Canada one degree of longitude is less than 10 miles while in the far north of Australia one degree is about 55 miles. The map makers squeeze this out into straight lines of 60 miles so North Australia is about 10% bigger than it should be while Northern Canada is about 600% bigger than it should be.

Lang

[Lang]

Found what I was looking for - a map showing countries all at the same scale. Canada and Russia don't look so huge anymore.

[cletrac (RIP)]

Lang, the distance from Vancouver to Halifax is around 4000 miles, not km.

The Canada – United States border is the international border between Canada and the United States. Officially known as the International Boundary, it is the longest common border in the world and is unmilitarized. The terrestrial boundary (including small portions of maritime boundaries on the Atlantic, Pacific, and Arctic coasts, as well as the Great Lakes) is 8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long, including 2,475 kilometres (1,538 mi) shared with Alaska. It is Canada's only land border, and Canada is by far the largest country with this distinction.

[Lang]

David,

I am not trying to suggest Canada is anything other than a BIG country but the distance from (From another Canadian Government mapping site) Vancouver to Halifax is 2,760 Miles or 4443 Kilometres. This seems pretty right to me if you look at the superimposed map above of Australia and USA which also shows Vancouver and Halifax and that distance looks a bit more than Brisbane to Perth which is 2,245 Miles or 3,614 Kilometres.

It is really hard trying to get a mental picture of what Canada's real shape is because of the gross distortion of the common Mercator Projection maps we are all used to. I have found a good one here where the "Equator" runs through the centre of Canada givng it the least possible distortion.

Lang

[servicepub (RIP)]

Originally Posted by Lang

Found what I was looking for - a map showing countries all at the same scale. Canada and Russia don't look so huge anymore.

It shouldn't be about size - besides, we all know that it's smaller when it's cold. This should explain Russia and Canada ;o)

[Phil Waterman]

In thinking about the known World Wide Reserve of CMPs I wonder what other ways could we put this question:

CMPs per square mile/kilometer
CMPs per capita


Cheers Phil

[Lang]

Phil and anyone else,

Would there be someone keen enough to estimate how many CMPS are mobile in the world, how many left in any condition?

I am sure this is somewhere in MLU but how many CMP's were built in the first place?

Maybe a start on the first question could be an estimate of how many CMP's went to (including those partly constructed) to the various countries during WW2.

Lang

[Grant Bowker]

One source gives:
CMP (including trailers) 409936
Modified Conventional 306,357
Armoured (includes armoured cars and trucks) 50,241
Miscellaneous 91,436

[cletrac (RIP)]

Those numbers are from Greggs Canada's Fighting Vehicles. For those who'd like more details, here's the page in question.

[lynx42]

You know, if you put a pin in Darwin on the map of Australia and go to the furtherest point away, you will end up at my place. Paynesville Victoria 3880. is the most distant town from Darwin as the crow flies on the Australian Mainland. (Don't know the exact distance though.)
Rick

[Lang]

Rick,

3,228 as the crow flies
4048 by road

Lang