Rob Clarke's latest treasure....

[Bob Carriere]

An old Ford 15a....... but it has a Chebby front axle... and a very old one at that..... can anyone date that Ford or is it Chevord or Forvy...... unusual heavy cast axle... no bolted cover on the front of the axle....same axle used on an early GCT......

Follow the sequence of pictures.....

[Bob Carriere]

Rob sniffing out the interior....Oh there is a seat in there goody!!

[Bob Carriere]

from the other side

[Bob Carriere]

...can anyone date the axle..... fits old stories of Ford being short of front axles and using Chevvy axles..... but how old is it ... and how beefy the casting.....

[Bob Carriere]

Look behind the added instruments.... an old rectangular civvy dash fitted in there.... engine cover is apparently the old style....
sorry David no tags to be seen..... axles have no lift rings either.

[Bob Carriere]

Look at the picture of a similar front axle on a very early CGT...

[Bob Carriere]

... can anyone give an approx. date for these axles trucks...???

[Bob Carriere]

... this is a picture of what is left of the steering wheel of the old CGT...... probably an old Cab 11 or maybe a 10 1/2...... power train is complete but the cab is mostly evaporated......

[Alex Blair (RIP)]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
... can anyone give an approx. date for these axles trucks...???

Bob
Looking at the major assembly's manual I see at least 10 different part numbers for the C15A axle ass'y with 5" universals,and different steel and cast housings mentioned..but not identified by date or illustration..
Some part numbers have notes...****When supply depleted use part # xxxxxx****,so there were definately early and late castings and housings..

[cmperry4]

NIce find. Aren't the vertical D-rings on the bumper an early feature as well? What type of body was that truck what with having the rear fenders and all? And what is that box thingy on the side?

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by cmperry4
NIce find. Aren't the vertical D-rings on the bumper an early feature as well? What type of body was that truck what with having the rear fenders and all? And what is that box thingy on the side?

The Ds on most CMPs are like this - the horizontally mounted exceptions are the Chevrolet 8cwt and 15cwt 4X2 ranges. From the C15A up and all Fords had them mounted vertically.

Nice find though. What's that strange white powdery stuff I wonder?:

[Keith Webb]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
... this is a picture of what is left of the steering wheel of the old CGT...... probably an old Cab 11 or maybe a 10 1/2...... power train is complete but the cab is mostly evaporated......

Looks older than a CMP wheel. Can we see some more pics of this CGT pretty please?

[Tony Smith]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
An old Ford 15a........ can anyone date that Ford ?

Yes, anyone can date it, but you'll have to take it out to a night at Gracie's!

[Tony Smith]

Bob, in this thread , we looked at an early Cab 11 F15A. I made reference to the cast GM axle being listed as part no C011WQF-3000 A2 . It is listed in the Ford parts book SE39-42 as only being fitted to F15As, but that axle is no longer listed in the F15A-01 parts book (SE.114) of May '43. SE 39-42 covers all the models of Cab 11, 12, and first designs of Cab 13. F15A-01 only covers F15A's of all types, but apparently by that date the GM cast axle had been superseded.
Does this vehicle have an engine number stamped on the inlet manifold mounting face or over the inspection hole on the gearbox bellhousing?

[chris vickery]

Rob, I have a front and rear diff complete available as well as a decent cab w/ doors and front clip if interested...

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Mr. Clarke / Mr. Carriere... whom did you pay for this, and how much? Just curious. I never deeded ownership over to anyone else, but it HAS been sitting where you found it for some years now. I certainly don't have the time or money to do it, so in a way I'm glad someone who will has it now. Still, a bit odd that whomever chose to bypass me...?

http://www.mapleleafup.org/vehicles/.../restore5.html

BTW, as best as I could figure, going by the dual checkerplate in the cab, it's a very early '42, and underneath all that crap on the frame you'll find original paint.

[RHClarke]

Mr. W-B. I will PM you - all apparently is not what it seems...caveat emptor has bit me on the ass.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
... this is a picture of what is left of the steering wheel of the old CGT...... probably an old Cab 11 or maybe a 10 1/2...... power train is complete but the cab is mostly evaporated......

If it's sitting beside the orange Ford, this veh belongs to Bruce Parker last I knew.

Rob, I have replied to your PM.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

I want to take this space, time and opportunity to ensure everyone here at MLU understands that Rob Clarke bears NO reponsibility whatsoever regards his purchase of my vehicle. He is as much a victim as am I of an unscrupulous deal between third parties (and there is another vehicle belonging to yet another involved as well). I state FOR THE RECORD that I have nothing but the highest admiration for Rob and the rest of the Ottawa Rotters and I would encourage Rob in particular to get this vehicle on the road, excellent piece of Canadiana that it is.

Rob, you're an integral part of MLU, and you are forever welcome here. Keep doing what you're doing, and as well as you and Bob have to-date!

Geoff

[Bob Carriere]

Yep..... had bacon and eggs for breakfast..... the eggs I scraped off my face.......


Will not comment further until this is sorted out.

Thanks for the kind words Geoff...... we had NO idea...!!!!

Sincerely

Bob C.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Originally posted by Bob Carriere
Yep..... had bacon and eggs for breakfast..... the eggs I scraped off my face.......


Will not comment further until this is sorted out.

Thanks for the kind words Geoff...... we had NO idea...!!!!

Sincerely

Bob C.

No eggs involved Bob. This was not YOUR or ROB's doing. Actually, I can only thank you for posting this thread, in that it highlights some of what goes on occassionally in this business. Rob and I will sort this out.

In the meantime, give Rob a kick in the ass to get him to build this truck!

[RHClarke]

Don't worry about jump starting me on this issue...the wife is about to plant a kick in the opposite hemisphere...

This whole escapade tells me that you don't have to be crazy to be in this hobby, but it sure helps.

Bob, thanks for your help- standby for a trip to pick up a truck box!

[RHClarke]

A lesson for all: If a deal looks to be too good to be true - it probably is ...in my case, was.

I am pleased to announce - legally, that the orange truck is legally mine.

To my long suffering wife. I'm sorry for the confusion, and don't worry, the boy will get a Christmas present after all...it may be some time before he can actually drive it, but it beats getting lots of toys...

Bob - Interested in a trip to Coe Hill?

[cmperry4]

Originally posted by Keith Webb
The Ds on most CMPs are like this - the horizontally mounted exceptions are the Chevrolet 8cwt and 15cwt 4X2 ranges. From the C15A up and all Fords had them mounted vertically.

Thanks Keith, I'm so fixated on HUPs these days - I have a picture of one by my desk here at work, was what I was looking at when I posted. I must be more observant.

I'm going to need a pair, by the way.

[Bruce Parker (RIP)]

Originally posted by Geoff Winnington-Ball
If it's sitting beside the orange Ford, this veh belongs to Bruce Parker last I knew.

Yes indeed, that appears to be my C-GT. It is an early 11 cab (no vents on either side of the rad) and was stored beside that orange F15A. I have been collecting parts for it for quite some time and thought it was safely tucked away...or at least I'd hear something if there was a problem. The plan was to see if enough of it could be found to make it a viable project. What's there is a nice frame (with cast axles) and all the running gear, 216 engine etc., a body (cut from the doors back, but still with the complete floor and roof hatch), all the winch and fairleads and rollers, a gas tank and all the cab sheet metal (nice!!), the engine cover and the shift levers and linkages.

The truck is now in Ottawa, and the parts in various locations including here at home.

If anyone is interested in the lot, I'd be interested in hearing from you as I'll never get to it. I really think I'd like to at least see it all in one place so somebody might take pity on it.

Here's a picture:

(and the steeing wheel is a standard Chev rubber one...less the rubber)

[Bob Carriere]

,,,,yet tyr yet tyr..... I is always ready for another haul.....

Question is when...... will need to consult the oracle.... need to fidn out the work load on Monday.....

Do we need a shotgun this time to fend off the owners????

Glad we got it resolved.

Bob C

[RHClarke]

Bob, Our half of the equation has been solved.

I will call Dan McCaw on Sunday to arrange the details. This looks like it could be a Friday night job (in the future)...weather depending and if you don't mind the cold and dark...

[RHClarke]

Mark,

I hope to be corrected by the last owner, but here is my call on the box thingy: it is tall enough to hold two welding bottles and is separated by threaded rod that may have had a spin on retaining device to keep the bottles from flinging = so I will go out on a limb and say it was a welding tank holder.

As for the truck's design - I am told that it is indeed a F15a which usually comes with a metal box (which I guess got separated after it left the army's stables).

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Gentlemen,

Let us use this as a Learning Tool. Most of us know everyone else involved in this R.O.T. stuff... here, by happenstance, we learned someone tried to pass off another's rightful property as their own, with the same tacitly accepted by the receiver. I shall not name names, but you both know who you are, and please be advised that from this time forward, you're on the Watch List. I don't give a shit what your excuses might be, but your actions constitute FRAUD. Both of you knew to whom these vehicles belonged... hmmm... what does that say about YOU?

Rob and I settled things between us quite amicably, with my overriding proviso being that I be amongst the first passengers in his new Ford (he'll also be feeding me a beer or two ). Rob's a hell of a good man doing good work, and I wish him the best; he was a victim here, not a player.

Guys, the lesson is this: cover your collective arses, because no one else will.

A lesson learned, for me and I hope others.

Here Endeth the Sermon. For now.

[Geoff Winnington-Ball (RIP)]

Bruce Parker will verify legal ownership as and if required.

G.

Originally posted by RHClarke
I will call Dan McCaw on Sunday to arrange the details. This looks like it could be a Friday night job (in the future)...weather depending and if you don't mind the cold and dark...