Ford Navy bomb service truck

[Sergey Egorov]

Hello! Does anyone know the details about this truck?

[Richard Coutts-Smith]

Discussed here.
http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ght=bomb+truck
Rich.

[Sergey Egorov]

Perhaps since then, someone has learned more about this vehicle.

[Sergey Egorov]

New photo. Now with tarpaulin.

[Matthew P]

Huh, just saw that last photo pop up on a Facebook group I run. Literally just a day or two ago.

Matt

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Sergey Egorov

Perhaps since then, someone has learned more about this vehicle.

What information are you looking for, Sergey?

[Sergey Egorov]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

What information are you looking for, Sergey?

The model of this truck and its quantity.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Sergey Egorov

The model of this truck and its quantity.

Would this be of any help? http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...252#post214252. Quantity I don't know.

Interestingly, S.N.L. G-1 lists two Ford Bomb Service trucks:
• G85, Bomb Service truck: M1 1½-Ton, 4×4, Ford 19-Y
• G109 , M1 Bomb service Truck, Ford, model 19F
Now, this clearly isn’t a 4x4 chassis, but a 4x2. The “19-Y” denotes the Ford 1941 model-year 1-Ton Truck with 8-cyl 100hp engine and a 122" wb. chassis. “19-F” is an unknown designation but would denote a 1941 model truck. The subject picture shows a 1942 model front end, so clearly there was some evolution in Ford's 4x2 Bomb Truck while the Ordnance Dept. didn't amend their data. Anyway, to them it was known as an "M1 Bomb Service Truck (Ford)", of which a picture is attached (G85 M1 bomb service truck (Ford) with 1941 model front end - but it is not a 1½-Ton, 4×4 truck).

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Interestingly, S.N.L. G-1 lists two Ford Bomb Service trucks:
• G85, Bomb Service truck: M1 1½-Ton, 4×4, Ford 19-Y
• G109 , M1 Bomb service Truck, Ford, model 19F
Now, this clearly isn’t a 4x4 chassis, but a 4x2.

Anyway, to them it was known as an "M1 Bomb Service Truck (Ford)", of which a picture is attached (G85 M1 bomb service truck (Ford) with 1941 model front end - but it is not a 1½-Ton, 4×4 truck).

Would the pictured truck not be the G109 M1 19F?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

Would the pictured truck not be the G109 M1 19F?

That’s my guess too, but I cannot find a Ford reference to “19F” to determine the chassis type.

“19” refers to 1941 model year, the vehicle in question is clearly a 1942 model. Hence my remark above.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

That’s my guess too, but I cannot find a Ford reference to “19F” to determine the chassis type.

“19” refers to 1941 model year, the vehicle in question is clearly a 1942 model. Hence my remark above.

The vehicle in the pic has separate headlights, as per the 1941 truck front sheetmetal. The 1942 front has the headlights in the grille panel.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

The vehicle in the pic has separate headlights, as per the 1941 truck front sheetmetal. The 1942 front has the headlights in the grille panel.

With "the vehicle in question" I refer to the one in the heading picture:

[Sergey Egorov]

Identification of 1942 Ford trucks from old Ford Parts List.

[Tony Smith]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

With "the vehicle in question" I refer to the one in the heading picture:

Ahh, OK.

I was responding to your picture in Post #8 where you said:

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

"G85, Bomb Service truck: M1 1½-Ton, 4×4, Ford 19-Y
G109 , M1 Bomb service Truck, Ford, model 19F

......... of which a picture is attached (G85 M1 bomb service truck (Ford) with 1941 model front end - but it is not a 1½-Ton, 4×4 truck)"

And to which I replied that (as you rightly pointed out) as it was not a 4x4 truck in your picture, it was not the G85 M1, but the G109 M1.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Sergey Egorov

Identification of 1942 Ford trucks from old Ford Parts List.

Yes, the VanPeltSales Flathead Model ID chart comes in very handy, I use it often.

That is where this info came from:

• The “19-Y” denotes the Ford 1941 model-year 1-Ton Truck with 8-cyl 100hp engine and a 122" wb. chassis.
• “19-F” is an unknown designation but would denote a 1941 model truck.

Do you know what they refer to with "19-F" (or "19F")?

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Tony Smith

to which I replied that (as you rightly pointed out) as it was not a 4x4 truck in your picture, it was not the G85 M1, but the G109 M1.

Ahh, OK

So are you saying:

• G85 M1 Bomb Service Truck is a 4x4 truck?
• G109 M1 Bomb Service Truck is a 4x2 truck?

I'd say it is not conclusive as two of the other G85 M1 Bomb Service trucks, the Yellow truck & coach AC-25 (1942) and Diamond T 201 3S, are 4x2 trucks.


> Yellow truck & coach AC-25



> Diamond T 201 Bomb Service Truck, 50 built in 1942

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Here's another picture, courtesy of Military Vehicles Magazine which brought this topic back to top for me.

1942 caption: "For Tojo -- Bad News from Guadalcanal"
GUADALCANAL, SOLOMON ISLANDS -- With operational flights against Japanese ships and bases almost a daily affair, bomb loading crews of Marines on Guadalcanal airport are a busy lot. In this remarkable photo, bombs are being taken from "bomb gardens" concealed in palm trees, loaded on trailers and trundled onto the airport to be placed on U.S. Marine, Navy and Army bombers.

[David Doyle]

The photo with the number 76443-B in the lower right corner is a Ford model 11-T-S bomb service truck.
The similar looking Ford with the headlights mounted above the fenders rather than sunk into them is a Ford model 11-Y-S bomb service truck.
The above information is per the notes accompanying those photos in the collection of the Benson Ford Archives.

Best wishes,
David Doyle
www.DavidDoyleBooks.com

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by David Doyle

The above information is per the notes accompanying those photos in the collection of the Benson Ford Archives.

Hello David, thanks for that info!

The similar looking Ford with the headlights mounted above the fenders rather than sunk into them is a Ford model 11-Y-S bomb service truck.

11-Y refers to a Ford 1941 model 8-cylinder 90-hp 122" w.b. 1 Ton Truck chassis. The -S probably refers to "Special"?

Originally Posted by David Doyle

The photo with the number 76443-B in the lower right corner is a Ford model 11-T-S bomb service truck.

11-T refers to a Ford 1941 model 8-cylinder 90-hp 134" w.b. 1½ Ton Truck. The -S probably refers to "Special"?

Of course this is a 1942 model, the designation for the same chassis in model year 1942 is 21-T. As said, clearly there was some evolution in Ford's 4x2 Bomb Truck while the Ordnance Dept. didn't amend their data. Interesting to see they opted for a beefed up chassis which could take ½ Ton more.

[Hanno Spoelstra]

Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra

Here's another picture, courtesy of Military Vehicles Magazine which brought this topic back to top for me.

Here's another from the same source, this is a Ford 11-T-S (1942 model) M1 Bomb Service Truck.
"1942-dated press photo of a Navy Ford M1 bomb service truck being used to load bags of cement somewhere in the Pacific".




And two via André Margage:

Ford 11-Y-S (1941 model) M1 Bomb Service Truck delivering bombs to a Douglas B-18 Bolo:




Ford 11-T-S (1942 model) M1 Bomb Service Trucks bringing up torpedoes to load Grumman Avengers:

[Sergey Egorov]

Page from Ordnance Pamphlet 865 Aviation Ordnance Equipment Catalog (1944).

[Lang]

So much better for crew comfort and access unlike the more photographed Ford GTB Bomb Truck with the passenger jammed in sideways.