I knew I could rely on Dave and Geoff to make an appropriate reply.

Truth is we haven't been consulted, in a cynical move the EU started it constitutional vote with those who had received trillions in EU cash, knowing this would lead a "yes" vote. Then it went wrong with two "no" votes and with a monumental gasp of relief the British Govt then, they said, didn't need to hold a referendum here.

In fact this should have lead to the dissolution of the EU according to their rules, however, they simply changed the rules and have said the constitution is going to be adopted anyway.

One wonders why we have been surreptitiously dis-armed, now almost to the extent of replicas and de-acts; no chance here of raising "A well-ordered militia" in the event of desperate Govt action.

We have a very effective anti-party whose policy for the EU is hugely supported but voters will shy away from them at a general election as they probably do not have the experience and capability of running the country, real or perceived.

One can only hope the retired law lords, et al, with the necessary experience, standing and wherewithal can finally mount a successful challenge under Magna Carta and our Bill of Rights, both standing pieces of irrevokeable legislation that successive Govts have seen fit to ignore and get away with.

Desperate it is, lets hope for an outbreak of common sense and national civil disobedience.

R.