The first one is a normal Loyd carrier chassis with a mock up body on it. The second is as Kev says Its an Aust. carrier the particular model of which escapes me, but that drive line set up with the motor on one side and the transfer case etc is a give a way.
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Carrier Armoured O.P. No1 Mk3 W. T84991
Carrier Bren No2.Mk.I. NewZealand Railways. NZR.6.
Dodge WC55. 37mm Gun Motor Carriage M6
Jeep Mb #135668
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