British army trucks of the 30s. Identification
 

The pictures probably show some maneuvers or training.
1. Thornycroft A3/FB4. Behind them is an Austin 7 passenger car.
2,3. I identify this truck as Guy BAX.
4. The first one on the right is Guy BAX, the third one is Morris Commercial type D. And what is the car between them? In the front, in the center of the frame, there is some kind of massive bracket supporting a spring or wishbones (it is hard to see). It was not possible to find the truck by this design feature.
5. Guy BAX
https://www.stilltimecollection.co.u...ions/Military/ and IWM.

It turns out this is also a Guy truck. Very intricate front suspension :eek:
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The photo shows Crossley IGL trucks. The one on the far left differs in many details: spare wheel mount, rear view mirrors, radiator mask, position of parking lights, etc. According to http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/hi...IGL3/IGL3.html there were six Crossley IGL models - from the third to the eighth. IGL 6,7 and 8 - forward control, IGL 5 - experimental model. What models are shown in the photo? The one on the far left is IGL 3. And the other two cars? IGL 4?

Mobile workshop. What car chassis is used? I assumed it was a Thornycroft A4, but there are some differences. So I'm not sure.

1. New Zealand Army Mobile Searchlight Unit. What kind of truck is this? A Leyland Retriever? The front wheel has eight mounting points, while Retrievers typically had ten. Or is this an export model?
2.An early New Zealand Army Leyland Retriever. The front wheel clearly shows the 10 mounting points.

Romanian army truck. Looks like a Morris-Commercial, but without the roll bar (sorry, I don't know what this part is called in English) and on narrow wheels. What model could it be? CS11/30 or WD 10/40 ?

I think the term you are looking for is "radiator guard" ? As you say the Romanian one does look as if it was delivered on much narrower tyres but has been fitted with bigger ones onto the original wheels. It must have been a struggle to fit them as I doubt that the original rims are two piece split rims like the standard WD wheels in your last photo.

You are doing very good work bringing all these photos together in one place. It is a very ignored subject, partly because there are very few of these trucks still in existance. Of course many were lost at Dunkirk and the rest were worked to death.

David

Hi David.Thanks for your comment.
I think I made a mistake because of the poor quality of the photo. The "Romanian" truck has exactly the same wheels as the original.
Oddly enough, there is very little information about English military vehicles. For example, even such a famous vehicle as the Leyland Retriever remains a mystery to me.

I can't figure out what kind of car this is?
Fordson Ten (10НР, Мodel C) with a radiator mask from Fordson Eight (8 НР, Мodel 7 Y)? Inauthentic restoration or was this car produced for the army in this form?
1.Fordson ?
2.Fordson 10HP ( Model CX ) 1934-37.
3.Ford 8HP (Model 7Y) 1937-39.

The logo on the radiator mask is hard to see. It is probably a Crossley. The truck itself is very similar to the Crossley 40/50 HP model 1923 from Vanderveen's reference book (1974 edition).

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1,2. Albion model?

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3. The shape of the hood and radiator mask of these trucks is very close to the A20 model.
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4. On the website https://trucksplanet.com/ru/models/albion-sb24/ these trucks are designated as Albion SB24, which in my opinion is incorrect. Albion SB24 30-cwt from the book by Vanderveen (1974 edition).

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5. Civilian subsidized version of Albion 30-cwt. Probably this is the LB24 model.

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1-3.Photos of a similar truck from different angles.
4.The photo is of very poor quality, but it seems to be the same car with a different body. If the authors of the article are not mistaken, then the mobile searchlight unit (photo from the first message) is made on the Leyland Terrier TSE4 chassis. Classic Military Vehicle №4 2012.

I have just bought a Morris D project to work on for my next expedition.

1) Leyland Terrier. Probably the very first version.
2) Leyland Terrier. Photo from the Internet. This model looks much more impressive. My colleague in automobile history claims that this is a Bull-Terrier.
3) Leyland Terrier from the Vanderveen reference book (1974 edition).
4) Leyland Terrier from the book "British Military Trucks in the Service of the Wehrmacht".
5) Leyland Bull Terrier from the Classic Military Vehicle 2012-04 magazine. According to the author, 120 vehicles of this type were produced.
It remains unclear: which trucks in photos №2, 3 and 4? A late version of the Terrier or a Bull Terrier? Perhaps this question can be answered by "Leyland parts list for chassis no. TSE-5374-5387, model 'Bull-Terrier' " . Unfortunately this book is not publicly available
https://www.iwm.org.uk/collections/i...ect/1500087091

A test run through the hills of North Wales in 1936. This was an event where car manufacturers presented their vehicles to military representatives. Pictured is a Leyland Retriever. The quality of the picture is not very good and I could be wrong, but it looks like the front wheel has eight mounting points. Also missing are the parking lights in a separate housing like on other Retriever trucks. Was this a serial production Retriever? Or was it a one-off experimental example?

Retriever in the Outback
 

Is this a Retriever ? It is highly likely to be a 'refugee' truck, these were British army vehicles that were diverted to Australian ports - these trucks were taken into the Australian army registration system and issued to Australian units.

Place Oceania: Australia, Northern Territory, Stuart Highway
Accession Number 014393
Collection type Photograph
Object type Nitrate, Silver Gelatin
Physical description Nitrate, Silver Gelatin
Maker Turner, Harry
Place made Australia: Northern Territory
Date made 9 March 1943
Conflict Second World War, 1939-1945
Copyright
Item copyright: Copyright expired - public domain

This item is in the Public Domain

Description
NORTH SOUTH MILITARY HIGHWAY. THIS PIECE OF ROAD MAKING MACHINERY REQUIRED FOR WORK FURTHER NORTH IS BEING PULLED ON TO A TRAILER AT A CONSTRUCTION DEPOT SOMEWHERE IN CENTRAL AUSTRALIA. (NEGATIVE BY TURNER).

Without a doubt - this is a Retriever. The probability is the second series (conditionally)
1) The first series. The radiator filler neck is vertical. At the bottom of the radiator there is a plate that covers it by about a quarter of the height. Or without plates.
2) These are the trucks that are found as trophies in German photos. Therefore, I believe that this was the earliest series.
3) On these cars, the filler heads are located at an angle. The plate may also be installed or not.
4) The very last series. The radiators are of a completely different design.
Perhaps I am wrong, since there is an assumption that the earliest is the Retriever without parking lights from the post http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...5&postcount=15

1) British Army Chevrolet Truck. Probably a 1929 model. Was this vehicle assembled in the UK? Was the chassis American (LQ,LR,LS series) or Canadian? I have not been able to find any data on this vehicle.
2) American Chevrolet LQ model 1929.

Chevy
 

Because of the Imperial preference scheme ( lower import costs ) , the chassis would likely have been Canadian. Plus Canada was manufacturing the Right Hand Drive components for other Empire countries.

Edit: I'm not sure if the UK Luton factory was manufacturing the Chevrolet chassis in 1929. Maybe the factory was still assembling the imported Canadian chassis . Does anyone have more info ?

The wiki info below has to be verified. Everything you read on wiki is of somewhat dubious origin.



Found this on wiki

The AC and LQ models were produced at Luton from 1929 to 1931, and styled as the "Chevrolet Bedford", taking the name from the county town of Bedfordshire, in which Luton is located. The AC was bodied as a light van (12 cwt), and the LQ in a wide variety of roles, including a lorry, ambulance, van and bus versions. The name "Chevrolet" was dropped, and the first Bedford was produced in April 1931. This vehicle, a 2-ton lorry, was virtually indistinguishable from its LQ Chevrolet predecessor, apart from detail styling of the radiator, and was available as the WHG with a 10 feet 11 inches (3,330 mm) wheelbase, or as the WLG with a longer wheelbase of 13 feet 1 inch (3,990 mm). However, the Chevrolet LQ and AC continued in production alongside the new product for a further year. In August 1931, a bus chassis was added to the range, and was designated WHB and WLB.

More wiki info:
Until 1925, General Motors assembled trucks in Britain from parts manufactured at its Canadian works. This enabled them to import vehicles into Britain under Imperial Preference, which favoured products from the British Empire as far as import duties were concerned. Such trucks were marketed as "British Chevrolet".

Thanks for the comment. From the above I can assume that the truck was designated as Chevrolet/Bedford LQ 1.5-t. Bedford WHG and WLG M1931 (pictured below) had a completely different hood and radiator mask shape.

Talbot Ambulance Van. This vehicle was on display at the Museum of Army Transport, Beverley. Since the museum closed in 2003, this vehicle is in storage, judging by the third photo. I have not been able to find any information about this van. It was probably built on a Talbot Model 75 or 90 chassis from the first half of the 1930s.

1) Leyland Cub KDSX1 WD.There is no information about this truck. A high-quality photo can be purchased here https://www.britishcommercialvehicle...fice-l015016q/ I don't understand in what form the photo can be purchased: printed or electronic. In any case, it is expensive for me :(
2) The civilian version of the Leyland Cub KDSX1 is mentioned in The Commercial Motor magazine, 1934.
3) Leyland Cub KZDX1. I can't identify the uniform of the soldiers in this photo. Maybe it's one of the Baltic countries ? Source of the photo - Е. Д. Кочнев. Энциклопедия военных автомобилей 1769~2006 гг.
4) Leyland Cub KZDX1 in The Commercial Motor magazine, 1939.

This is the Lithuanian Air Force https://www.plienosparnai.lt/page.php?501
Model designation KDXZ is probably incorrect. In the lists I mentioned earlier (1936 and 1937) there is only the KZDX1 model.

1-3. Morris Commercial R . Imperial war museum Duxford.
4. Morris Commercial R 12-15 cwt. Vanderveen 1974.This vehicle differs from the previous one in the headlight mounts. Probably the correct designation of this model is R.10/15, where the first number is the wheelbase in feet, the second is the load capacity in centners
5. Morris Commercial R 12-15 cwt (?).This is how this truck was labeled at the Beverly Army Transport Museum when it was on display there. I don't know if this is the correct label. This truck is distinguished by its “civilian” cabin, the location of the parking lights and the absence of a perforated partition under the radiator. Could this be a 30 cwt?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/richar...n/photostream/