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Hi, found this link to carrier info.

http://arnhemjim.blogspot.co.uk/2012...f-british.html

kevin.

That's quite interesting. I think the weight saving was a bit of a token effort but I guess it all counted!!!

I bet a carrier or two appear with a Pegasus in future.

Ben

Looking at the 2 pictures of T248395 and T248405, the top picture of the to seems to have suffered catastrophic damage to the drivers side of the carrier....perhaps an encounter with axis armour or an antitank weapon. One would have grave concerns about the driver and gunner if they were in the carrier at the time.

Apart from the odd AOP MkIIIw's How many other forms of MkIII still exist? Are there any? (either MkIII or MkIII*)

I remember reading in one of the books on Market Garden about a tall Canadian soldier driving a Carrier around Arnhem and Oosterbeek, coming to the rescue in the thick of the fights.

Will see if I can find a source and quote.

H.

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 174557)

That's quite interesting. I think the weight saving was a bit of a token effort but I guess it all counted!!!

I bet a carrier or two appear with a Pegasus in future.

Ben

Hi Ben,

or in the past! I only will not strip it to Airborne specs.
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Cheers,

Marc I think that makes you a trend setter!!

Ben

Hi, A good film to watch is : 'Theirs Is the Glory' made in 1946. see link to details of the movie, a must see. However the only carrier in it is a T16.

http://www.paradata.org.uk/content/theirs-glory-1946

Found this info about Arnhem carriers at http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=38074

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Having privately published my first book "Tugs and Gliders to Arnhem" in 2000 (subtitle "A Detailed Survey of the British Glider Towing Operations During Operation 'Market Garden', 17, 18 and 19 September 1944") I think I can shed some more light on this item, quoting from my book:

The Airborne Carrier at 'Arnhem'

Eighteen carriers would be transported to the operational area near Arnhem / Oosterbeek. Each Parachute or Airlanding Brigade was equipped with six carriers, two per Battalion. Having taken off from RAF Station Tarrant Rushton and towed by Halifax tugs, the nine Hamilcar gliders detailed to transport the eighteen carriers to their landing zones suffered no abortive sorties en route and all eighteen carriers arrived on the Landing Zone.

Two carriers were catapulted through their Hamilcar's nose when the glider landed heavily on the railway embankment. As a result of this incident Lieutenant Colonel Frost's 2nd Parachute Battalion was short of one carrier on their advance to Arnhem bridge. This carrier was salvaged a day later by men of the Glider Pilot Regiment.

The Airborne Carrier performed sterling duties during the battle, carrying heavy equipment and serving with distinction as a vehicle which could get much needed supplies under fire to 'hotspots' which could not be reached by the less protected jeeps.

During the course of the battle the removal of the towing-hook would prove to be an unwise decision. On more than one occasion anti-tank guns could not be moved due to the fact that these guns were under small rifle fire.

Although not protected by heavy armour the carrier's box-like construction with an armour plating of 7,5-12 mm offered some protection against rifle fire and as such an anti-tank gun towing-role could have made a difference in some of the local battles.

But the two T-16s are hauling ass when they fly by :thup2:

It's a good movie since you see original footage and recreated live shots with the PIAT against German armor.

Hi, Yer those T16's are really flying.

If you watch the film there appears still to be knocked out Panther tanks lying around the area also some Mk1 Tigers in some shots, weather original footage or they fired them up for the film shoot. What a mess that bridge looks, I always thought the original bridge remained.

worth a look, its about £3.00 to buy in the uk.

kevin.

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 174557)

I bet a carrier or two appear with a Pegasus in future.

Here's another one: http://www.midwestmilitary.net/T16salep1.html

Of course it's the wrong type of carrier, but "airborne" seems to be so magical the majority of Jeeps, Beeps and Jimmys are marked US 82 or 101 AB Div!?!

H.

Amazing that they want $31K for that T-16 which is still in postwar Swiss configuration. Not to mention the "airborne" issues. We also see a lot of jeeps done as British airborne by simply adding a Pegasus to the bumper since its easier than doing any of the real basic airborne modifications. Seems to be a theme...

only two Ben,

I think more in bridage numbers. But those pictures are well know as fare as I know.

Peter
http://www.milmarket.org

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Originally Posted by Ben (Post 174557)

That's quite interesting. I think the weight saving was a bit of a token effort but I guess it all counted!!!

I bet a carrier or two appear with a Pegasus in future.

Ben

There are also dingos with Pegasus sign on them never seen any in Arnhem or Normandy. Same with radios only few JEEP had a radio set but now a days nearly every JEEP has one. Or sirens same story.

Peter
http://www.milmarket.org