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All the info I've got is in the pics, been there for at least 3 months, (thats when I first went past it anyway). This trip I took the camera.
Rich

Yes, I've been eyeing that one too... spotted it a couple of months ago - it is fairly battered but has a few good bits still on it.

It's a cab 12 F60L.

I think that's an ex-British order or assembled F60L supplied under S/M 2019, then issued and sold to the AIF. Nice find!

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Originally Posted by David_Hayward (Post 103100)

I think that's an ex-British order or assembled F60L supplied under S/M 2019, then issued and sold to the AIF. Nice find!

Could be but I think you'll find this is a direct Australian delivery, not an Ex-British one as witnessed by the locally fitted roof hatch. The manufacturer's serial is 7455, engine/chassis 2G 459412F. It seems only the later batches of Australian delivery F60L cab 12s had a S/M stamped on the data plate. Found S/M numbers I've seen on these cab 12s are usually S/M 2037 with one 2126 and Hugh Thompson has a plate from a cab 12 with S/M 2019 but unfortunately the truck was long gone which means we won't know whether it had a roof hatch or not. Happy as ever to stand corrected though!

G'day Keith! S/M 2037 included three-ton 4x2 Fords, and also C60L and CC60L, so I guess that they were FC60L. There was a suggestion that the Chassis & Cab were supplied under S/M 2019, and then assembled in Dagenham under S/M 2037, and local contract 294/VS/4784, as EC018Q. However I think now that they were a run-on contract (Demand) for S/M 2019 then 2037 (2019 assembled under MofS contract 294/V/4288). Examples known of S/M 2037 F60L: Serial # 16869; Motor 2G47579F with "S/M OR C/D 2037" on the plate and Serial 16347; Motor 2G47755F; "S/M OR; C/D 2037". These, and the one mentioned, were all October 1941-built engines by the way (just checked!).

As to S/M 2126, this was a direct-Aussie delivery it seems. My notes say:

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Ford Model Number C018QF or C298QF [Australia] E.g. # 2G-7785F #12 [and # 13 cabs?] MIXED ORDER WITH CHEVROLET 8442 C60S? and e.g. Serial # 25847 Motor # 3G7862F & 25848 Motor # 3G7719F and 28378 Motor # 3G7838F Model F-60S used in ROVER armoured car and another F60S in Australia Serial:26984 Eng no: 3G6249F Model F60S S/M 2126 Date : 9.9.42 (Date of manufacture, assembly or delivery?)

I ought to reproduce my notes in entirety as it may be of interest:

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SM 2037 MUST BE MIXED ORDER BETWEEN CHEVROLET 8443 AND 1543X2 AND FORD EC018Q AND EC098T "TRUCK 3 TON 4 X 2 160 IN. WHEELBASE", 6,847 ORDERED DESTINATION EGYPT AS AT 30 JUNE 1942

SM 2019 OR 2037 WRECKER # 12 CAB GAR WOOD 4D1 BODY: IWM PHOTO KID 1987[see IWM photo KID 1987]

SM 2104 WAS SUBMITTED ON 2 JULY 1941 TO CANADA AND COMPRISED 10,000 3-TON LORRIES “SIMILAR TO SM 2019 FORD AND CHEVROLET” WITH 10.50 X 20 GENERAL PURPOSE TYRES PACKS CKD, NOTE CKD, FOR ASSEMBLY IN INDIA AND SOUTH AFRICA. THE DESTINATIONS MUST HAVE CHANGED BY AUTUMN 1942.
Australian papers show 60% Chev/40% Ford, and 9,828 actually ordered

Thanks David

The ones I have seen here are all higher manufacturer's number:

F60L 17206 2G42720F S/M OR C/D 2037
F60L 17757 2G38332F S/M OR C/D 2037
F60L 17820 2G27596F S/M OR C/D 2037

I have to leave it for 'the jury' to decide about which Demand the #12 was supplied under, but it would appear that it may have been too early for S/M 2104. I have to suggest that on checking my file, I think it's too late for 2019. Here are the trucks that were w/o in the train crash when the loco hit a vehicle on a level-crossing en route to presumably Halifax for trans-shipment:

Built by April 1941
Included
2G-14877-F
/14658-F
/14881-F
/14685-F
/14909-F
/15125-F
/14474-F
/14564-F
/15056-F
/14463-F
/15165-F
/14682-F
/15058-F
/14855-F
/15149-F
/14349-F

Thus I have to suggest the # 12 was possibly supplied under S/M 2037. But I leave it to others to ponder!

Cheers Mate! I have added the data to my file. Really, the more data I/we collect, the better as I think we have found all that the DND papers have to say. The Austrakian archives however I believe have a heck of a lot more to reveal. In the meamtime we rely on hard evidence gleaned from 'actuals', so it really is much appreciated.