ID Plates
 

Hi guys,

whilst paint stripping I have uncovered 2 plates besides the main one on the dash, my truck is a Chev C15a 1943, details of other 2 brass/copper oval plates below -

on passenger cab side

HOLDENS
WTS 5568
W/O CAB
JOB NO 5401A

under bonnet on inner panel strip

HOLDENS BODY
NO 7818A
W/O FRT END
44 10 194

I guess w/o is war office cab and the same with the war office front end

The plate on the dash is the large oblong Made in Canada job

Can I identify from this what Cab i have fitted ?

Cheers :confused

Main plate
 

I don't have any info on the smaller Holden plates but the WO number on your dash data plate should reveal what rear body was fitted when new.

dash plates
 

thanks Keith, i had a look and it says body but no codes next to it, once i've cleaned it up i will upload a pic

WO number
 

The large plate should have a WO number such as WO12 or WO52 and so on. It's not necessarily next to body.

thanks Keith, it was at the top of the plate, it says WO 72

What body would that have been ?

Wo72
 

Unfortunately WO72 is one I don't have details for. I have one example listed:

WO72 Chassis 2844470016P Engine WR38601173

This tells us it is a C15A assembled in Perth but nothing more.

WO71 we know was GS Personnel on a C60L chassis and WO73 was the C15 version of the wireless signals.

Possibly it had a version of the No2A Aust steel box body adapted for a special use such as office. Hopefully the gaps in the knowledge will be filled in one day.

may be getting older.... but not much smarter !
instead of running downstairs into the garage and scrambling with a torch.... use my noggin and removed the plate so can read it comfortably in the light.... pity it took me a year to have this simple brainwave :doh:

here goes

GENERAL MOTORS OF CANADA LIMITED

MODEL WO 72

SERIAL NO 38 444M 00 237

ENGINE RR3924689

Although the engine number is meaningless now as it has the Mexican engine in it .... for the time being anyway as she is going diesel

Details
 

OK the engine number will probably be PR not RR - most Chev CMPs here are PR, WR or TR.

The M in the chassis number is the code for Melbourne assembled.
8444 = C15A.

it is P keith, bit of scale on it so have to catch the letters in the right light

when I bought it, it had a steel tank on the back and the bolted on chassis extention at the rear, the tank was steel and it had been owned by the fire brigade and sprayed red and then painted yellow once rural fire boys got hold of it, originally it was military green and for 70 year old paint its till stuck like tar to the body !
the tank was rusted out and I assumed it had the rear body replaced but maybe it had been a water tanker ot fuel bowser originally

Water or fuel
 

In Australian use the longer wheelbase versions were used for water or fuel - the 134" carried a 400 gallon water tank and the C60X tanker was used by the RAAF for refuelling aircraft.

Shock And Horror
 

Keefy - a gap in your database by not having details of a WO72. The world as we know it has ceased to exist.

:D Bob

Horror
 

Yes, it's a tragedy to rival a GFC!!

Do you know what WO72 was???? :confused :confused

Yes it is the number after WO71 and the one before WO73 :D

Hey Keith,

check this out - a C15a SWB Water tanker ! just scroll down on this webite

http://www.bernardvanmeurs.nl/index....ge=cmp-info-en

I think mine was just a Fire Brigade conversion though

C15a
 

http://www.bernardvanmeurs.nl/pictures/c15-3.jpg

Ahh but that's a Canadian model, we only made the 400 gallon water tanker on the 134" wheelbase.

There were several water tanker trailers here however.

More....
 

I know of now:

38444M00003
38444M00237 ENGINE # XR392,689 W.O.72
384444M00242 ENGINE # WR3925,672
38444M00286 ENGINE # WR3925,868
38444M00302 ENGINE # WR3925794

Keith, I can't reconcile the other F15A.,...that '7' after the model number looks spurious...yet the engine number looks as though it's a late '43 one.

Quarry
 

Hey Keith,
whilst looking at vehicles on cmp the yellow looks the same as mine, I assumed that having the red under the yellow it had gome from the Fire Brigade to Rural Fire Brigade but maybe it was a quarry vehicle, it was yellow with pale duck egg blue wingd front and back and the same blue detailing around the water tank

Gents

I believe the '3' prefix before the '8444' is the year of assembly in Australia, hence assembled and stamped in 1943, and as Keffy has said, in Perth, WA.

Mike C

Prefix
 

The 0/1/2/3/4 prefixes are the MODEL YEAR codes...some 1943 MY trucks were assembled in the next year and there were no 1945 MY CMPs...all were '1944' as the orders had been placed in '44. In 1940 there were 1940 and 1941 Models on the same lines in Oshawa! '40 for Canada (existing orders) and '41 for the British!

Looking at other trucks it appears that they were being assembled in summr 1944 so this truck could have been assembled by Holden's then as well.

Glad to see someone is paying attention....

Holden Plants
 

These are the plants:

WOODVILLE BODY PLANT


BRISBANE [“B”]
Brisbane branch, located in Wickham Street Newstead, was officially opened on January 15, 1927.

The plant had an extensive lease and was located within easy access to the G.P.O. [GENERAL POST OFFICE?] and to Bulimba Beach, where excellent wharfing facilities were available.
The building, formerly occupied by a Ford Service Station, was originally a single story, but with extensive reconstruction; a second story was added to provide a floor area 109,000 sq. ft. The architects in charge of the work were Messrs. Hall and Prentice, of Brisbane.

SYDNEY [“S”]

The Sydney plant was situated in Meeks Street, Marrickville. It had a frontage of 400 ft. and an overall depth of 290 ft. Part of the building was of two-storied brick construction. A railway switch from the main interstate line ran the whole length inside the warehouse and outside was a loading. dock 25 ft. wide by 290 ft., with an additional siding for loading finished cars. The total floor area was 98,000 sq. ft., 90,000 sq. ft. being for factory purposes and the remainder for offices. Architects were Messrs. Ross and Rowe and the builder was Messrs. Robert Wall and Sons Limited, The plant had a capacity of 60 cars per day, and employed approximately 175. Marrickville was sold in 1939, 25 acres of land having been acquired at Pagewood, N.S.W. for a new assembly plant that opened in 1939 with 308,044 sq. ft. of assembly plant, paint shop, office and cafeteria buildings

MELBOURNE [“M”]
G.M.A leased a building from Messrs. John Sharp and Sons limited on the corner of City Road and Balston Street. A central office and spares warehouse as well as the assembly operation were established. The building had a frontage of 429 ft. and a depth of 3,351 ft. The front portion, extending back 62 ft. was a two story brick building housing the Melbourne branch and the Central Organisation staff.
The premises were within walking distance of the G.P.O. and Railway with the wharfs nearby. The total floor area was 198,000 sq. ft., of which 26,508 sq. ft. was for warehouse operations. The area devoted to production was 83,472 sq. ft. The former occupant carried out the major portion of the structural alterations and additions. The plant had a capacity of 60 cars per day and employed 175.
It was quickly realised that the area was totally inadequate for the task and 50 acres Crown Land was purchased at Fishermen's Bend, the purchase being made possible through a special Act of Parliament.The new factory and company Headquarters at Fishermen’s Bend, two miles from Melbourne, replaced the old City Road, South Melbourne, building. The first sod was turned by the then Victorian Premier, in February 1936 and the official opening ceremony was conducted in a little over six months later by the P.M., the Hon. Joseph Lyons.

ADELAIDE [“A”]
The South Australian plant was erected. at the corner of Birkenhead Road and Rann Street, Birkenhead, adjacent to the Port River and with easy access to the Port Adelaide G.P.O. and railway. The building was two-story, with a frontage of 215ft. 114,000 sq. ft. of the ground floor area of which 61,272 sq. ft. was allotted to warehousing space and 47,272 sq. ft. to assembly operations.
The architects were Messrs. David Williams and Son, of Port Adelaide and Emmett and Sons Limited, of Forestville, the contractors. Negotiations for the 10 year lease of the site with the S.A. Harbour Trust were finalised on June 1 1926, the contract for building operations was signed and foundation work started on June 2nd. The building works completed by October 1926. The plant had a capacity of 35 cars per day and employed 100.

PERTH [“P”]
The plant was located on Buckland Avenue, facing the Perth-Fremantle road on the corner of Victoria Street at Cottelsoe Beach. The building was a two-story, with a frontage of 170 ft., and was 21 miles from Fremantle wharves and 9 miles from Perth G.P.O. The total ground floor area of the building was 44,622 sq. ft., of which 9990 sq. ft. was devoted to warehousing operations and 34,632 sq. ft. to assembly operations. The architects were Messrs. A. E. and A. B. Cox, of Perth and the builders, Messrs. A.T. Brine and Sons, also of Perth. The site was purchased on June 11th 1926, the contract let on June 18th, and ground broken on June 21st.