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maple_leaf_eh 27-07-19 04:44

Nickname for CMP cwt trucks
 
Was looking at some materials from a veterans' association, and the text mentions receiving some 15 cwt trucks. The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?

Lynn Eades 28-07-19 07:47

Not me, but the Chev 8 cwts are "puddle jumpers" or "Pee Jays" down here in N.Z.
In Australia I think they are all "Blitz's"

Keith Webb 28-07-19 08:03

Names
 
Yes the generic name for a CMP in Australia is Blitz, or Blitz Buggy, plural is Blitzes.

The 15cwt Sigvans were called butter boxes, a name also applied to the boxy local design gun tractors.

Cab 11/12s (not that we have many of the short wheelbase variety) are generically called Monkey Face or Desert Blitz.

Hanno Spoelstra 28-07-19 14:09

"Cut Weights"
 
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Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh (Post 262129)
The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?

Terry, I have not come across that nickname before.

H.

Richard Farrant 28-07-19 19:08

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Originally Posted by Keith Webb (Post 262144)

The 15cwt Sigvans were called butter boxes, a name also applied to the boxy local design gun tractors.

Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van refered to as a 'pie van' by Australians.

Harry Moon 28-07-19 20:41

sigs vans
 
Gin Palaces!

Keith Webb 28-07-19 22:07

Pie van
 
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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant (Post 262159)
Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van refered to as a 'pie van' by Australians.

You're right Richard, I had forgotten that one!

rob love 29-07-19 01:04

I have heard "carrot weight", and a few other interpretations from people who did not know what the cwt stood for.

Lynn Eades 29-07-19 08:14

Rob, I work in the road transport industry. My boss (workshop manager) the other day, asked me how to write "1/8 th" I bet he wouldn't have a clue about the cwt.

Tony Smith 29-07-19 14:01

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades (Post 262180)
I bet he wouldn't have a clue about the cwt.

I bet they don't teach Latin in schools anymore, that's why nobody knows anything older than the Y2K Bug.

The ancient Roman basic unit of mass was the "Weight", the Latin word for which was "Libra". This was divided into 12 units called "Twelfths", the word being "Uncia" (in English, this became Ounce). The basic unit of length was the Pes (or "Foot", plural Pedes:Feet). A Twelfth of a Foot was also called an Uncia, but this translated to Inch.

The Roman numeral for One Hundred was the letter "C". So a Hundred Weight is C Wt, or Cwt. How this became 112lbs is another story.

Oh, and "Libra" is also the source of the abbreviation Lb for pound, and also for "‎£" for Pound Sterling. In fact " ‎£, s and d" in old English currency all derive from Roman currency "Libra (of Gold), Solidus (1/64 of a Lb), and Denarius (1/96 of a Lb)". Naturally, a Pound weight of Gold was a massive amount of money rarely seen by the average Roman. Don't think there were many "Poundshops" back in the day.

This system lasted nearly 2000 years in Britain, how quickly we forget for the simplicity of Decimal Currency and Weights and Measures.

And more Pub-Trivia winning useless information. The Thompson Sub Machine Gun originally had 3 options for ammunition magazines, officially called the XX, L and C Mags. Anyone know why?

Hanno Spoelstra 29-07-19 14:28

20, 50 and 100 round mags...

But don’t ask me about British pounds, shillings and pence (£sd) :rolleyes

Ed Storey 29-07-19 19:48

Thompson Magazines
 
In keeping with the Roman theme, perhaps indicating the capacity, 20, 50 and 100 rounds.

Tony Smith 30-07-19 10:27

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Originally Posted by Tony Smith (Post 262193)
Naturally, a Pound weight of Gold was a massive amount of money rarely seen by the average Roman.

My mistake, of course it wasn't a "Pound of Gold", it was a Pound of Silver. Hence: Pound Sterling.

Lynn Eades 30-07-19 12:04

I just have to do this:
"It's a Thompson, not a Sterling"
While you're at it Tony, you should cover:
Bushells, Furlongs, BTUs, Troy weight, Tons, Tonnes, Firkins.
Then, there is a: Short cwt, a long cwt, a net cwt, a gross cwt.
(life used to be simple) :bang:

Tony Smith 30-07-19 14:09

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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades (Post 262227)
(life used to be simple) :bang:

Or should that be: A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum?

Mike Cecil 30-07-19 16:16

Oh, so many measures ...
 
Cubit, Hand, US Gallon, Imperial Gallon, US Ton/short ton (2000 lbs), Imperial or long ton (2,240 lb), and lets not forget 'Bakers dozen'!!

Not long after metrication in Australia, I was at the hardware store and overheard a builder asking for a quantity of '3 metre 4x2s' .....

Mike

Robin Grainger 30-07-19 19:46

old terminology
 
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Originally Posted by Lynn Eades (Post 262227)
I just have to do this:
"It's a Thompson, not a Sterling"
While you're at it Tony, you should cover:
Bushells, Furlongs, BTUs, Troy weight, Tons, Tonnes, Firkins.
Then, there is a: Short cwt, a long cwt, a net cwt, a gross cwt.
(life used to be simple) :bang:

Rods, poles, perches. A cloth yard (length of an arrow) Bakers dozen?

Hanno Spoelstra 30-07-19 20:22

Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!? :D

Bruce Parker 30-07-19 21:26

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 262239)
Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!? :D

I've never heard a CMP called a threadjacker. Thread stripper, finger crusher or knuckle bloodier sure, but never threadjacker.

Mike Cecil 30-07-19 22:58

Hanno,

We are just going the extra 'country mile', seeing who can measure up, or who gets weighed down before its 'return-to-topic' time. (sorry, I'll stop now...) :giveup

(I have not heard a CMP called a threadjacker either, Bruce, but I've called mine a few things that are not printable here, when experiencing all those aspects you mentioned!!) :bang:

Mike

Tony Smith 31-07-19 00:20

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 262239)
Hey guys, who switched on the Threadjacker?!? :D

Threadjacker2000 was a secret line of code that Geoff Winnington-Ball wrote into the Forum's software to ensure that threads randomly took off in wild, uncontrollable directions before sometimes returning to the original theme. You can't turn it off, you can't manage it, it just exists in the Forum. It may even be the spirit of Geoff running it! :smoker: :coffee

To try and get back on track, CMP's have also been called Bulldog face or Pug Faced trucks at times, too.

Bruce Parker 31-07-19 01:22

I'm not quite sure, but could this...just possibly...maybe...be a threadjack of a threadjack? A double threadjack? Or a jack squared perhaps? Very rare indeed.

rob love 31-07-19 04:09

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Originally Posted by Bruce Parker (Post 262251)
Very rare indeed.


Not rare on this forum. I have said it for years...decades even. The threads on this forum meander like a winding creek through the countryside. But it is all knowledge and interesting.

Phil Waterman 31-07-19 14:03

Now back to your regular programing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh (Post 262129)
Was looking at some materials from a veterans' association, and the text mentions receiving some 15 cwt trucks. The writer added their nickname as "Cut Weights". Has anyone else seen, heard, used that phrase?

Hi

The abbreviation "cwt " was explained to me when I first got my HUP some 40 years ago as "carry weight" or "century weight " in both of these explinations the amount of weight being referring to was 100 lbs. By those explanations a 15 cwt truck was meant to carry 1500 lbs.

Now according to TM 30-410 September 30, 1942 , US War Department entitled, HANDBOOK ON THE BRITISH ARMY WITH SUPPLEMENTS ON THE ROYAL AIR FORCE AND CIVILIAN DEFENSE ORGANIZATIONS. The purpose of this manual reads "The object of this handbook is to furnish a simple guide for the U.S. soldier cooperating with the British."

This book in its abbreviations section lists- cwt Hundredweight

Cheers Phil

Mike Cecil 31-07-19 16:22

Phil,

Not far off the mark if your source of the explanation was an American:

1500 lbs = 3/4 of a US (short) ton of 2,000 lb, so you can see the logic from a US point of view concerning 15 cwt (ie 3/4 Imp ton).

US Military nomenclature works in short tons, for example, the 'semitrailer, Van, 6 ton, 2-wheel' has a rated payload of 12,000 lbs, ie 6 x 2,000 lb, and the Ben Hur 'Trailer, tank, water, 1 ton, 250 gallon' has a payload rating of 2,000 lb.

Mike

Phil Waterman 31-07-19 18:29

Short vs Long Ton
 
Hi Mike


There are stories of some interesting confusion over payloads being quoted in long tons are understood as being short tons. There is one story from the Berlin Airlift about a C47 being loaded to the limit thinking it was short tons and actually being long tons. The goonie bird carried it but it was a long flight. There also is a story were they mixed up the weights for perforated decking confusing the weight for aluminum decking and loading steel decking. The pilots made the flight with the engines wide open, after it landed in Berlin the plane was scrapped.



Moral of these stories is the old saying "two peoples separated by a common language."



The book I was referring to also explained that 4x4 quarter ton was referred to in Britain as a Blitz Buggy.


Cheers Phil

Richard Farrant 31-07-19 19:27

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Originally Posted by Phil Waterman (Post 262272)



The book I was referring to also explained that 4x4 quarter ton was referred to in Britain as a Blitz Buggy.


Hi Phil,
I have a British War Office Data Book on Bearings. It lists every ball and roller bearing on vehicles in service, whether British, Canadian or US built. It is wartime dated. It lists only the Bantam with the title 'Blitz Buggy', so it must have been an official name by the British.

Bruce Parker 31-07-19 23:43

Weights and measures
 
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At the risk of taking a meandering tributary of Rob's creek, this might be interesting to those following the second or third hijack of this thread. I don't feel too bad at it as a General Motors product and it might help you out in the kitchen.

Lynn Eades 01-08-19 11:01

Going back to the beginning, (I've lost count of which lap) here's another angle:
If you look at "Cut weights". Has it stemmed from a hand written source where the "w" was mis-read as a "u"? With all the CMP's being rated at
8,15,30 etc., Cwt. Maybe someone more familiar with trucks rated in tons, referred to CMP's collectively as "Cwt weights. Which may have morphed into "Cut weights".

Tony Smith 11-08-19 09:36

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Originally Posted by Richard Farrant (Post 262159)
Hi Keith,
I have also heard the Blitz signals van referred to as a 'pie van' by Australians.

Ahh, "Pie Vans", beloved of Ex-Sevicemen for dubious nutrition:


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