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chris vickery 06-05-20 19:39

Is it possible that the order was written in such a way that at face value it appears to be taking action but in reality it is so full of holes it won’t hold water?
Was it purposely written in such a convoluted manner that the door was left open to challenge the government on it?
With the inclusion of 10 and 12 gauge shotguns for example, whether by design or purposely, this has given lobbyists on our behalf at least some technicality to fight them with, or at the very least rile up all shooting sports enthusiasts.
I hope, that with the wording, perhaps having to be re-written, some items may be dropped.
Is an OIC a hard fast and permanent thing or can it be amended under Canadian Law?

Bruce Parker 06-05-20 20:08

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Originally Posted by chris vickery (Post 269360)
Is it possible that the order was written in such a way that at face value it appears to be taking action but in reality it is so full of holes it won’t hold water?
Was it purposely written in such a convoluted manner that the door was left open to challenge the government on it?
With the inclusion of 10 and 12 gauge shotguns for example, whether by design or purposely, this has given lobbyists on our behalf at least some technicality to fight them with, or at the very least rile up all shooting sports enthusiasts.
I hope, that with the wording, perhaps having to be re-written, some items may be dropped.
Is an OIC a hard fast and permanent thing or can it be amended under Canadian Law?

An OIC can be revoked or replaced by another OIC very easily. It's whether there's political will to do it. I doubt the Liberals set themselves up to fail. They just lack experience with anything 'firearms'. The biggest thing would be the public's loss of faith in it enough to shame them into scrapping it. Or an election won by a party that is reasonable.

rob love 11-05-20 17:39

Looking at the latest firearms reference tables (FRT), it shows the PIAT and 2" mortars as being exempt from regulations. At this point, they seem to have just changed the firearms/rocket launcher, grenade launchers, and mortars that were specifically listed in the OIC. But the firearms center have a job to do so no doubt the "prohibited" status of the ones missed will be changed at a later date.


There is an FRT entry for the PIAT. Not sure how it meets the scrutiny of a firearm in the first place as it does not have a barrel. But the FRT does reference to the "trough" as a barrel.

maple_leaf_eh 11-05-20 20:15

Rob

I subscribe an online FRT lookup site by www dot armalytics dot ca. It is possible the PIAT was added as a "negative" placeholder so there would be no questions about its status.

Edited to add: https://www.armalytics.ca/?q=project...%5Btype%5D=all

Bruce Parker 11-05-20 21:25

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Originally Posted by rob love (Post 269481)
But the FRT does reference to the "trough" as a barrel.

Dammit. Now my house is prohibited. Troughs all the way around. And the downspouts are way over 20mm.

Lynn Eades 11-05-20 23:45

Over here a large tax company spent a whole 5 hours NOT listening to a few govt. selected notable firearms people to put together valuations for the whole gambit of firearms for the thing called "a buyback".

charlie fitton 12-05-20 14:32

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Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh (Post 269487)
I subscribe an online FRT lookup site by www dot armalytics dot ca.

thanks Rob

Just lost another hour of my life....enjoyably for a change..

Amazing what's banned..M 72(though they dont specify loaded or not) is, but the Turkish M72, made under licence is not..

2" Mortar is not, 4.2 in is...3 in doesn't exist...

rob love 12-05-20 16:49

The firearms act was not really written towards these materials, and it will be close to impossible to meet the storage regulations for some of these items. The inclusion of a lot of these will have been for the purposes of preparing for the OIC. They have a lot of catch-up to do now in order to list all possible models of artillery, mortars, grenade and rocket launchers. This is all towards meeting the present governments agenda of looking like they are serious about crime. Meanwhile, the punishments for the illegal users and smugglers have been lowered in recent years by this government.



To the general public, they will agree that there is no place for civilian ownership of these items, thinking that they can be used to cause mass deaths. They do not see that in virtually all cases, the owners act as private museums and messengers of history. I have had my bren carrier loaded with it's equipment at many carshows downtown, and never had anyone complain. It made it into the newspaper a time or two...no complaints.

Bruce Parker 12-05-20 17:38

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Originally Posted by rob love (Post 269515)
They do not see that in virtually all cases, the owners act as private museums and messengers of history. I have had my bren carrier loaded with it's equipment at many carshows downtown, and never had anyone complain. It made it into the newspaper a time or two...no complaints.

It's never been a problem and instead of being thanked we get kicked in the gut. We 'private museums' get our stuff out for people to see and touch in carefully controlled environments, something dusty museums with stationary displays rarely do.

Amazing to me something we've done for decades is suddenly dangerous and needs shutting down. In an odd way it's 'them' that we are honouring and bringing their achievements to the public.

chris vickery 12-05-20 21:03

A once proud Canadian, I shall never, ever again, fly a Canadian flag nor display one on or near anything that I own.

Bruce Parker 12-05-20 21:46

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Originally Posted by chris vickery (Post 269522)
A once proud Canadian, I shall never, ever again, fly a Canadian flag nor display one on or near anything that I own.

Your government of the day obviously disapproves of what you do because you don't think right. You probably don't think the military is to be mocked and underfunded yet called upon to do any chore the government needs of them, or that history is something to be apologized for like they do. Our dear leader actually said that any interest in this equipment beyond seeing it as a tool (ie. if your interest was sport or history) you were 'fetishizing' it. What an absurd thing to say.

chris vickery 13-05-20 01:09

Perhaps we should get rid of golf courses as well as golf clubs. Many a person has fallen victim to these otherwise innocuous tools of the game when used in a violent manner. Golf courses in and of themselves, are vast spaces of overly fertilized greenspace that would certainly be more suited for the Greater Good for things likes housing developments, or ahem, even as places to grow food... eg Farmland. Think of the children. The environment suffers. Your golfing is not important to me. Providing places to live in peace without the weapons of the game potentially used in domestic violence situations far outweighs your need for an otherwise stupid sport. If you can call beating a ball to death a sport.
Furthermore, golf and country clubs encourage immoral behavior and out of control drinking. We all know where this leads... Booze, driving home, domestic assault once you get home and the wife beats you over the head with a frying pan because you've been gone all day and now you're drunk.
On that note, the wife. The frying pan. Instruments of certain death in the kitchen. Knives. Rolling pins. Where does this madness stop???

Chris Abraham 13-05-20 12:05

This what happens when you have the woke socialist running government which we in the UK found out, trying to rid the remaining guns we have left.

jdmcm 13-05-20 17:10

They knew in 2013...and did nothing...The RCMP can explain to those families why they did absolutely nothing...

atlantic.ctvnews.ca/neighbour-reported-n-s-mass-killer-s-domestic-violence-weapons-to-police-1.4936459

Bruce Parker 13-05-20 17:30

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Originally Posted by jdmcm (Post 269541)
They knew in 2013...and did nothing...The RCMP can explain to those families why they did absolutely nothing...

atlantic.ctvnews.ca/neighbour-reported-n-s-mass-killer-s-domestic-violence-weapons-to-police-1.4936459

If our friends introduced this sweeping ban in response to the Nova Scotia rampage (as they clearly stated is was) then it is premature as the investigation isn't complete so they have no way of knowing if their measures will have any useful effect. The evidence so far shows the ban is completely off base with the crime.

If our friends are using the Nova Scotia rampage to slam in their ban then they are politically capitalizing on a tragedy to push though something that has nothing to do with it. Oh, and in the middle of a pandemic with no parliament or public debate.

No matter how you slice it, it doesn't make our friends look very good.

rob love 13-05-20 18:48

There was also a report that his father was beat up by his son on a trip to Cuba, and also reported by his father to the RCMP that he had firearms. I think that was 4 or 5 years ago. RCMP chatted with him at the time then left.



One other report said he had a friend in the RCMP who had viewed his completed and decalled cruisers. He warned him not to take it onto the roadways.



Despite all this, the RCMP initially reported that he was not really known to them, indicating there was not much or nothing on CPIC about him.



And somehow it's our faults?

Bruce Parker 13-05-20 19:15

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Originally Posted by rob love (Post 269545)
And somehow it's our faults?

The minute they linked the ban to mr. violet-crazy truth stopped mattering. Using tragedy as an opportunity is what should be banned.

Losing your property and investment is one thing. Losing it to lies is something else again.

Lynn Eades 13-05-20 20:38

Same BS here. Australian came to live here. Had a firearms licence in 5 weeks due to not being vetted properly (current P.M. relaxed the rules) Police were in the process of getting rid of the vetting officers. Police issued a permit to buy 3200 rounds of ammo. The 1984 arms act is said to be the best firearms legislation in the world. They've changed it all. It is now the fault of the legally licensed. Same crap here and there...............

Perry Kitson 19-05-20 20:01

As of the 15th of this month, the Trudeau government has added 255 more firearms to the OIC ban. More semi's, pump and bolt action firearms. It looks like this thing is open ended. Please make use of the E-petitions (E-2574, E-2576) if you want to have any sport shooting at all left in this country.

Bruce Parker 19-05-20 21:01

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Originally Posted by Perry Kitson (Post 269688)
As of the 15th of this month, the Trudeau government has added 255 more firearms to the OIC ban. More semi's, pump and bolt action firearms. It looks like this thing is open ended. Please make use of the E-petitions (E-2574, E-2576) if you want to have any sport shooting at all left in this country.

And unlike the banned firearms listed in the OIC, these new banned ones aren't published anywhere (or not anywhere the average person would even know to start looking) so you can become a criminal in possession of a prohibited item and not even know it.

Petr Brezina 19-05-20 21:27

Unbelievable... Im so sorry for you guys :support

Tony Smith 24-05-20 06:13

Casual conversation with a Wheat Farmer of Sask., during a day on the job. I like the humour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ygh...ature=youtu.be

James P 25-05-20 01:58

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Originally Posted by Tony Smith (Post 269787)
Casual conversation with a Wheat Farmer of Sask., during a day on the job. I like the humour.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ygh...ature=youtu.be

And a follow up as to why we are at where we are today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXD7eUkHSxg

Lynn Eades 25-05-20 05:47

Probably a measure of half the population?

Tony Smith 25-05-20 11:07

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Originally Posted by James P (Post 269813)
And a follow up as to why we are at where we are today.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXD7eUkHSxg

"a .44 has, like, 44 bullets, right? And a .38 has 38 bullets."

:eek: OMG!

Soooo, a .303 SMLE must very cumbersome to carry with all that ammo.

Like, you know, a Belt fed bolt action, right? :bang:

maple_leaf_eh 25-05-20 15:46

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Originally Posted by Tony Smith (Post 269826)
....

Soooo, a .303 SMLE must very cumbersome to carry with all that ammo.

Like, you know, a Belt fed bolt action, right?

So in the spirit of all things MLU, would the feed tray have to be level with the belt to reduce the force required to strip the cartridge off and move the belt? I propose an experiment!

Perry Kitson 26-05-20 22:03

I'm in on this one!

James P 26-05-20 23:39

And Pt.2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyerGiQ2OSo

Tony Smith 27-05-20 02:51

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Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh (Post 269830)
So in the spirit of all things MLU, .... I propose an experiment!

Here is an example of the notorious 303 Lee Enfield Assault Weapon, so named because of the number of bullets it can fire. With 250 in the can and another 53 up the spout, it is capable of unleashing a withering volley of half-truths on Good Citizens, resulting in devastating fearmongering that can spread out of control on social media. "Evil Things" like this have no place in modern society, and it is well past time that they were consigned to the History Books, where they can never again be read about by school students.

But Good Citizens can sleep safely, for although this inflammatory weapon was not mentioned in the 1st May List, it can never fall into the hands of Ruthless Criminals, Deranged Drug Addicts or Miffed Ex-Employees because it was Swiftly-Dealt-With in the 1st April Declaration.

maple_leaf_eh 27-05-20 03:53

Belt-fed No.1 Mk III
 
Cheekiness is alive and well in Oz! :thup2:


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