Here's an alternate solution that uses only existing CMP seat parts. The clips holding the seat base to the riser are : large part (green) - standard Cab 13 hold down bracket and small part (also green) stop to limit seat travel (normally mounted to the two holes above and to the right of the clip in the photo. When I grabbed the parts off the shelf for the photos I thought the small brackets were also Cab 13 seat hold down clips but have since changed my mind (but I am convinced the hold down clip would work). If you don't have extras sitting around, they should be easy enough to make using the clips in your cab as patterns. While taking the photos I realized that one of the riser feet needed replacement.

Seat installation and Onan generator
 

Bruce thanks , that's awesome ! You found it ! Genius, yet so simple .

When you go under your box you will notice the four holes for the seat brackets drilled in the floor.

One set is in front of the Wireless table , centered . The other set of holes are on the left side , parallel and centered with the left rear window . That is the cypher clerk position. There should be a small table on the wall for that operator. This seat is offset to the left of the front operator's but it is a tight fit for the rear guy 's legs..



Now for the 110 Volts , 1 KW ( 1000 Watts ) Onan generator model 10LS-6.

Not all but some Wire 5 trucks were equiped with this generator and also a 12 V Chorehorse as opposed to two Chorehorses on top of each other in the generator box.

From what i understand , the Onan version was for the High Power version of the No 19 set radio suite at Brigade or Div level .

Anyone can tell me what they look like ?

Photos are from the generator handbook found in Derk's spare parts box for the set.

Anyone got a nice clear picture of the set and the data plate ?

Any source for such a generator set ?

I am setting up the High Power version of the Wireless 5 truck as i have the complete , 1944 dated ( same year as the truck ) Canadian No 19 HP suite on my shelf ready to install.

All i need is dimensions for the metal table for two part HP units on top please. It is my only missing part now. Thanks .

Attachment 90584 Attachment 90585

No 19 High power set
 

Gents,

I plan on installing my Canadian No 19 High Power set in the box .

High power units were used in Artillery and Armoured Regiments to communicate with Brigade and / or Brigade to Divisional HQ's .



I am no Sigs officer nor a CW expert but i have friends...and we will make this work. Eventually .

So here are some pics of my set . The Wire 5 box was purposely made for it with the Onan 110 V generator and kit .
It is not complete yet, i know. But pretty darn close.

So here are my pics.

Calling all mil radio experts : What are the dimensions / measurements for the specific HP radio metal table holding the upper units ?

Robert, the generator that you are looking for are still around. Just take some time to search, put the feelers out and be patient. Lots of old engine enthusiasts seem to like them, check places like the Smoke Stak forum, ebay, kijiji etc. A quick check showed an older expired ad for one in PEI for sale as well as one that sold right here on MLU a few years ago.

Than-you Grant and thank-you Chris.

I will keep an eye out for the AC/DC 10LS-6 Onan 1 KW generator.

:thup2:

Cheers.


Robert

Actually they were never deployed. There were some major issues with the design and by the time things were fixed the army had committed to the British amplifier #2. Back in Canada there was no use for them either so they were sold off surplus post war.

There is one anomaly though. A Canadian war artist during the Korean conflict had painted a picture and in the background it appears to be the RF portion of the set. Nothing in the RCSigs history shows them being used over there but never say never.

Personally I think they're uber cool and having one in the back of your truck showcases a bit of Canadian technology.

Mine had no issues in putting it on the air. I ran it from 110V and no parts needed replacing.

No 19 HP set for wireless 5 truck
 

Good morning,

Here is a picture of the 19 HP set that I have highjacked from fellow member Geoff T.

This setup is as it would be installed in the box of the wire-5 truck with 2K1 box/ body .

The sets were used in the wire 5 box at least in Canada both during and after the war and Korea.

There was training going on with these sets in Canada while the Canadian contingent was fighting bloody hard and well in NWE.

Cheers and thank you for adding to the discussion.

Seats installed in box
 

Both seats are now installed in the box as per original with nice original new old stock cushions and seat covers thanks to a good friend in BC ..

The seats are sitting on the original brackets that are bolted to the floor where the original holes were found .

Working this weeks on the roof guardrails and antennae brushguards.

Roof handrails and antennae brush guards
 

The Wire 5 truck was a well tought out design. Details such as handrails to safely access the roof top antennae and bruch guards attest to the amount of time and effort spent on the design.

I had access to one of each originals of the handrails and brush guards thanks to friend Reg in Saint Albert / Edmonton.

Here is the final product to be installed shortly.

Handrails -
 

Here are a few shots of the truck with the handrails installed for demonstration purposes.

You will notice the 1 Gal oil holder installed in front of the Jerry can holder .
Details explained in the next posts.

1 Gal oil can holder
 

Finished working on the 1 Gal can holder that goes on the front of the left side ( pax ) Jerry can holder.

Pictures and measurements of an original compliments of friend Grant B.

1 Gal oil can holder
 

Very few pictures exist of this 1 Gal oil can holder installed in front of the left side Jerry can holder on the wire -5 truck. I was made aware of it thanks to a picture sent by Rob L. a while back.

Looks good. The 1gal holder looks to be the same as mine just mounted differently.

Is that your complete set of guard rails for your roof, Robert?

It looks like you have too many short horizontal sets and are missing the intermediate sized round ones with the horizontal extensions that protect the antenna chimneys.

If you try mounting the horizontal ones up beside the chimneys, you will find they are far too low to do any good.

David

Roof guardrails
 

Thanks for your good words Jordan .

David D. you are right. I was serving 6000 KM from home and forgot about the round brushguards that go in the front of the box on both sides of the chimneys.I will be working on that thanks.

But my problem is worse . I found the holes for some kind of bolt to hold down the guardrails and brushguards but have no clue what fits in there . I have included a picture.

Q. What kinda bolt goes in there ?

I have tried stove bolts and wood screws in 1/4, 3/8 and 5/8 and no joy.

Bob,
Have been following this thread since day one.

A Tip O' the Hat to what you and the MLU gang have achieved.

Visited Oshawa last summer…and saw this..It seems to very similar to yours.

Can you tell me just how close it is production wise.

The dash plates show
C-15A
June 19-44 Cab 13
Chassis serial 48444 00001

CDLV 2571

on the smaller metal tag is stamped

C-60L-03
MB-02
C-60-1481


Can you tell me what all those numbers mean..?

Dennis, are you the Dennis Cardy that lived in Ontario in the mid 1970's and attended the first military vehicle show in Ontario at Paisley?

If so, you had a C15A wireless truck that I bought from you (or some other Dennis Cardy) around about 1976 for $1500...I think I still have the receipt.

That C15A wireless truck was serial number 484440001. I sold it to the Oshawa group in about 1986.

If you are one and the same Dennis Cardy then the truck you were looking at in Oshawa was the one you owned 40 years ago.

Attached is a pic of it getting a brake job shortly after I got it along with my first ever MV, CDLV505 MB serial 155792. I wonder if it too is still driving about somewhere.

Thanks Dennis.

Small world, i spent the last year in BC , Comox and Esquimalt.


If you look at my post of 10-19-16 on page 9 of this tread you will see pictures of the production original furnished by Rob L.

Guilty as charged your honour…LOL..

Nice to know it found a good home at Oshawa.

Their radio installation may not be as advanced as Bob's …but it's sure a good start….

Have some "as-found" shots of it somewhere..Think I paid $250 for it.
Had been parked after the engine had died…Did a compression test…pulled the head and after a valve job ..and a new fuel pump
soon got things going.

From a Gear-Head point of view.. prefer the Ford flathead..But hard to beat the simplicity of that Chevy 6.

Just like Bob's…the radio box was missing..But a search of local wrecking yards soon turned up the correct one..Fifty bucks for that..
Aah…the good old days..

Dennis.

Robert.

Short hex head lag bolts are used to anchor all the roof safety rails and brush guards. Can either be flanged, or plain, used with a flat washer. They will need good, solid 1/4-inch plywood directly underneath the outer aluminum sheet metal roof skin to work at all. Once water gets into that upper layer of roof plywood and the rot process starts, nothing you bolt or screw down up there will stay in place very long. The box simply flexes too much when the vehicle is on the road.

If you cannot get any hardware to grab when trying to mount those fittings, you have a problem.

David

Robert..
A Plus 1 on what David has said about mounting the various roof ladders.
Good advice for sure.

He is absolutely correct..if water leaks in past the mounting bolts..the wooden structure underneath can and will disintegrate in a matter of months..

Not joking when I say if you have a friend who is into boats…he will immediately recognize what you are facing and recommend the ladder mounting flanges be properly "bedded" in a flexible caulking compound..

Thus preventing any water getting in.

Dennis.

Bruce Parker,
Thanks for that colour photo of the Wireless Van…and that update.
Always wondered where it ended up…

Here it is at the Bruce County farmhouse shortly before it was passed on to you.

May I ask a few questions…??

You talked about doing a brake job..
How were the front brakes when you got it.?
Probably toast by that time..Was it a total brake rebuild…?

To be honest..cough…cough….when you are running on original Run Flat tires that are flat..you don't really need a lot of help from the brakes to slow you down…cough cough.

Dennis.

Thanks for the retro pic. We've crossed the line back in time to black and white I see.

How were the brakes? (don't worry, I shan't be coming after you for a refund after all these years...) Yes a total rebuild, my first ever. The bright side was that because the brakes were so bad I became an expert in down shifting.

Here's another pic from my late 1970's album showing the 15cwt's original number. The MB went to a guy in Manitoba (Robert Rosteki?) in trade for an 11 cab Ford 15cwt.

Hey Bruce. I can't find the proper hardware to clamp down the handrails and guards on the roof . Any suggestions my friend ? Thanks .

Have you looked down the holes to see what's there? Do you think maybe lag bolts onto wood? Or (horrors!!) were you supposed to use a nut before the plywood ceiling panel went in?

You might consider nutserts. They're like an oversized pop rivet but threaded on the inside. You insert them into a slightly oversized hole then a special tool draws it up from the bottom locking it in place in your roof sheet metal. When the tool is removed it leaves the threaded insert there to take your hex bolt.

Robert. what is in the hole as it is now? Do the fasteners just screw into the wood framing inside?

One thing I was thinking might work if the hole is somewhat contained. Mix two part casting resin and pour it in filling the hole. The just before it sets up you can screw in the lag bolt. The resin was cure and grip the bolt and fill the hole. This would only work if the area under the roof was somewhat contained, if not a lot of resin could go down the hole.

Wire-5
 

Thanks very much Dennis, Bruce and Jordan. Very interesting look into the past there Dennis and Bruce. Bruce / Jordan : I ripped out the old panelling inside the box. I then primed the bare aluminium before making new plywood panels. I never saw any holes , bolts or screws coming out from the roof above. Maybe there are inserts in the steel structure supporting the aluminium sheets . If so , i could not of seen them from inside . Both Bruce and Jordan have excellent ideas . I will clean out a few of the holes on the roof and try to have a look at the bottom. Now that i think of it as i write this , it might well be metal screws driven through the aluminium sheet and the the steel frame forming the structure. More to follow and again thanks for all the good ideas fellows.

Bruce,
Processed and printed my own B&W film back then..Jeez…who could afford colour..

Very nice to see the 83-385 on the door of the radio van. Going to follow up on that for sure.

Never discovered that as I had done a quick repaint of the whole vehicle after the valve job...using Duck Hunters Brown paint purchased at the Canadian Tire store in Port Elgin. A surprisingly close match and semi-matt to boot.

The box was a bit Tatty after being rescued from a wrecking yard..and the cab and chassis was post war glossy green. So the quick repaint really tied things together.

Now it can be told…the paint was still wet the next morning for the Paisley Rally and Parade.

Here it is as found..about a half hour drive from Paisley. Parked out the back of a man's place.. after the engine died.

He told me it had come out of a Borden auction. He had thrown away the useless radio box and substituted a more useful one from a pick-up truck.
Plywood sides for hauling firewood and sections of galvanized culvert for rear fenders..

Totally stock ..still had the original tires and side curtains.. but the round canvas roof hatch cover was long gone.

That little boy is now in his mid 40's…and the father of two..

God help us.

Wonder where your jeep ended up.

Dennis.

Diggig out the past...
 

...I came across these pics I took of un-mucked with 2K1 bodies at the time I was restoring Dennis' old truck. I hope they can be of some assistance.

First is the inside of the generator 'fridge'. Note the two way exhaust fitting on the floor. Also of note is the rack on the mid rail for the 12V Johnson chorehorse. It's very similar to that in the HUW and consists of two rails made of 1" by 1/8" angle welded together with a gap big enough for a 1/8" in plate. The chorehorse was bolted to the plate and the plate slid into the rails. You can see a small pin and chain on the tops of the rails which were what keeps the plate and chorehorse in place. This arrangement allowed for 'quick release' of the generator to allow it to be operated at a distance from the vehicle.

There isn't a similar rail assembly on the bottom and I am of the opinion that's proof there was a 120V Onan in the lower part of the generator cabinet as standard in 2K1 bodies.

2 more
 

Here's the warning stencil on the generator cabinet door. Failing to heed this warning about keeping the outer doors open when operating the generators would of course kill you due to carbon monoxide filling the inside of the radio body.

Second is one of the many 2K1 bodies I found that had the lower half of the interior painted various shades of blue/green. I can't say whether this was done factory or in service to lessen the scruffy appearance of scuffs on the white, but it sure was military and not post war civilian applied.