Vickers Utility Tractors in the Netherlands East Indies
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As I have understood 50 Vickers Utility Tractors were ordered from Familleureux factory in Belgium by the Netherlands East Indies Army (KNIL) in Oct 1939. This was followed by a second order for 30 more vehicles in Dec 1939.
The first 20 reached Java in April 1940. Another 30 were scheduled for delivery in May 1940 but overrun by the German invasion of Belgium. So it seems as only 20 were received by the KNIL. They were used as tractors for 47 mm M/1935 Böhler anti-tank guns made in Austria. So my questions are: 1) Weight, engine, speed, measurements e t c. 2) What happned with the tractors captured by the Germans? Did they use them or hand them over to their allies? Reg nr D 9947 (D=Preanger district/Bandoeng). The tractor probably serving in APLA 2 (2nd Heavy Weapons Coy) garrisoned in Tjimahi, W Java. Attachment 2260 |
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To prove this thesis we now have to hunt for a picture of a KNIL tractor with its typical side benches in German service! HTH, Hanno A Belgian tractor serving with the German Army after its capture: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/b...ityTractor.JPG Source: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/bel/Belgium.htm |
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Don't know if this helps, but I came across the following two photos of Captured Belgian licenced Vickers-Armstrong Utility Tractors in German service, vehicle designation: Art Schl VA 601(b). Two versions used, one with rear seats and the other without. Version in photos: with rear seats Photo # 1 (Top) - shows a Art Schl VA 601(b) with rear seats folded up carrying mail and Photo # 2 (Bottom) - shows a Art Schl VA 601(b) with rear seats folded down being used has an artillery tractor towing a 5cm PaK38 Hope this helps Cheers :) |
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http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/h...ersUtility.jpg Source: http://mailer.fsu.edu/~akirk/tanks/hol/Netherlands.htm May I ask where you found those pictures you posted? Thanks, Hanno |
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- I agree - the seats are 'sideways facing' - I just quoted the reference in the publication - 'rear-seats' - In a book I have in my Library - ENCYCLOPEDIA OF GERMAN TANKS OF WORLD WAR TWO, A COMPLETE ILLUSTRATED DIRECTORY OF GERMAN BATTLE TANKS, ARMOURED CARS, SELF-PROPELLED GUNS AND SEMI-TRACKED VEHICLES, 1933-1945; by Peter Chamberlain and Hilary I. Doyle; published by Arms & Armour Press, 1978 - in the chapter dealing with captured equipments in German service. Glad I could help :D Cheers :) P.S. - it also contains a picture of the other version with no seats, also employed as an artillery tractor. |
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Most interesting! Yes Mark, it was what we needed - and thanks Hanno for the KNIL pic.
Hanno, I beleive the picture you posted is from Waterlooplein, Weltevreden. Possibly Aug 1940. In 1941 the crew should be wearing steel-helmets. Stellan |
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V.C.L tractor German service
"Beute-Kraftfahrzeuge und -Panzer der deutschen Wehrmacht" Walter J. Spielberger.
page 49. The Utility tractor was used as a mail vehicle.....The vehicles, originaly built in Belgium, were ordered bu the Dutch Colonial Army. Ready built vehicles were taken over for german forces and later production was finished for german forces. The picture accompaniing the text is the same as shown at no. 1 "the post delivery vehicle. So the germans knew which vehicles were from the durch order!! "Deutsche grundlichkeit"! |
Another Belgian one
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Found this Belgian tractor with 47 mm AT-gun.
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Stellan, your last picture I think shows the infantry type: no rear seats as in the Cavalry type and the narrow early tracks.
See also here: http://www.network54.com/Forum/threa...eid=1104143868 Regards, Nuyt |
Surviving VCL in the Netherlands
Since a year the military museum at Bronbeek - Arnhem has restored a VCL in its collection. At tows the Rheinmetall 20 mm A.A. gun. It was received from Indonesia as a gift.:cheers:
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presents? wishlist!
Hi Hans,
A present from Indonesia, eh? Hmm, mabe we can ask them an Overvalwagen (or two):D :D :D Nuyt Overvalwagens? |
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Nuyt, besides this VCL tractor, the Netherlands has received a Stuart tank and Universal Carrier from Indonesia, so maybe they are willing to get us an Overvalwagen too! :idea: And what about an Alvis-Straussler AC3D?!? H. |
Vickers utility Bronbeek
:( No I haven't got a picture, I only have a very bad and damaged print from a newspaper but there is a nice colopicture on internet:
www.warmuseums.nl/gal/091gal.htm try this! |
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http://www.warmuseums.nl/fotos/09105.jpg Thanks Hans! |
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http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/ou...or_02_p138.JPG See http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/outside/jmm/jmm.htm for another picture. H. |
wow, tks!
Hanno, thanks for that link. There's a lot of KNIL stuff in there...
If my Japanese is correct the 2-pounder guns were 43 mm. Did not know that... Nuyt |
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http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/outside/jjam/095.JPG Source: http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/outside/jjam/jjam.htm Location: Museum Dirgantara Mandala Yogyakarta, Indonesia H. |
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http://sus3041.web.infoseek.co.jp/outside/jjmm/jjmm.htm H. |
A lot of KNIL stuff
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A 75 mm M/1911 field gun. The Indonesian text cannot be right because the guns of this type made by Bofors were delivered in 1919.
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VCL utility tractor for the KNIL, official portrait pictures from the Tank Museum files.
http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...actor_knil.jpg click on picture for a large size scan |
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One more ex-KNIL Vickers Utility Tractor in German use.
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another one fresh off the "keep them rolling" mailing list
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Here´s another one, this time a Belgian Army Vickers Utility Tractor, with other weaponry being turned in to the German captors, 29 May 1940. |
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Utility Tractor 1932 Personnel Carrier
Attachment 117579 Attachment 117578 Caption: "photograph captioned 1934 Belgium Familleureux. The sides seem to hinge and drop down to provide leg rests for the passengers who are carried on the two sides. This vehicle was used by the Dutch Army to tow a 47mm anti tank gun, the crew riding on the tractor" Source: http://tankdevelopment.blogspot.co.u...l-carrier.html Quote:
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Survivor for sale on Milweb (no interest with the seller).
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Caption: "One of the few anti-tank guns that the KNIL (Royal Netherlands East Indies Army) had in an armor and anti-aircraft department Circa 1938; this piece 4.7 cm behind a tractor type Utility of Carden Lloyd. Dutch East Indies (1939) Source: NIMH" Attachment 117591 |
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