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Shaun Mastin 11-02-19 00:42

Chevrolet timber tray brackets
 
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Hi guys ,
I’m restoring a 1940 Chev with an timber tray , but don’t have any of the brackets that the canvas frame slots into and also the tie down hooks
31 in total

I know that the ford and gm tie down hooks are different

If anybody has a full set of brackets for sale , even just one for a sample or could possible give me some measurements, it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks Shaun

Tony Smith 11-02-19 11:39

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I have a poor condition tray and sides, but can't say with any certainty if it is Ford or Chev. There are quite a few of the hoops missing.

The frame brackets consist of 3 pieces; 1 flat plate on the inner side of the timber, 1 flat on the outside, then the frame hoop on the outside of that, all sandwiched together through the timber with 5/16" Whitworth square bolts and nuts. The flat plates are 1/4" thick and 4"x 1 1/4". The hoop shaped plate is 3/16" thick and the same external dimensions. The hoop opening is 1" dia. The bolts holding it all together are 3 3/16" apart.

Tony Smith 11-02-19 11:47

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The tie down brackets are formed from an odd, almost semi-circular section bar. It is 1" wide and 3/16" thick. The overall length is 6", with the inside dia of the curved end 1 1/4". They are secured with 2x 5/16" Whitworth bolts at 3 1/4" centres.

David Herbert 11-02-19 12:31

That almost semi circular section is still available in the UK and known as "Half Round" (though it isn't). I think the common sizes are 25, 40, and 50mm wide. The bigger sizes are commonly used as the top of railings, the smaller size in decorative ironwork. I suspect that the current versions are a bit thinner for a given width than they were fifty years ago.

David

Mike Cecil 11-02-19 16:26

Shaun,

You don't have to post the same thread in multiple places - we'll generally see it no matter where it is.

Tony: I think he's wanting the smaller tie down hooks, about 3 inches long, 3/4 inch wide flat, two counter-sunk screw holes, with a shaped hook at one end. I remember two types: one with the hook part shaped from the flat and bent back over to make the hook, such as a blacksmith would do, and a fabricated type with a round welded to the end of the flat, and bent back to make the hook. Used to lace down the bottom edge of the canopy.

I think the hook you show is the hook for holding the folded back flap on the early canopy type where the sides wrapped back part way across the rear of the tray, or on the side on later vehicles for holding the rear canopy flap in the closed position. Much more robust than the smaller canopy tie-downs as shown in the second image. (Shaun probably needs both).

Mike

Davistine Liddle 11-02-19 17:58

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil (Post 258276)
Shaun,

You don't have to post the same thread in multiple places - we'll generally see it no matter where it is.

Tony: I think he's wanting the smaller tie down hooks, about 3 inches long, 3/4 inch wide flat, two counter-sunk screw holes, with a shaped hook at one end. I remember two types: one with the hook part shaped from the flat and bent back over to make the hook, such as a blacksmith would do, and a fabricated type with a round welded to the end of the flat, and bent back to make the hook. Used to lace down the bottom edge of the canopy.

I think the hook you show is the hook for holding the folded back flap on the early canopy type where the sides wrapped back part way across the rear of the tray, or on the side on later vehicles for holding the rear canopy flap in the closed position. Much more robust than the smaller canopy tie-downs as shown in the second image. (Shaun probably needs both).

Mike

i think he wants this

Shaun Mastin 11-02-19 21:10

Thanks for the replay very helpful, think your right mike ,
, I thought they would have been more the the Jeep trailer hooks but I guess there different

Shaun Mastin 12-02-19 02:09

Yes I do need both type of the hooks

Tony Mathers 12-02-19 08:02

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measurements

Shaun Mastin 12-02-19 08:48

Thanks heaps ,

Would anyone have any of these for sale ?

Shaun Mastin 12-02-19 08:50

What’s the thickness of the top hook ?





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Tony Mathers 12-02-19 11:41

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Originally Posted by Shaun Mastin (Post 258303)
What’s the thickness of the top hook ?

you mean the loop? I will measure tomorow, or if you are near kyneton you can come and check yourself. I need some more too, so no I have none to spare... :)

jack neville 12-02-19 12:20

Get them laser cut and shape to suit.

Tony Mathers 14-02-19 05:56

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Looks like they are made by a blacksmith.
They are all slightly different and the curves are hammered to shape.

Have fun

Shaun Mastin 14-02-19 06:08

Thanks for the measurements

Hanno Spoelstra 14-02-19 10:29

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil (Post 258276)
You don't have to post the same thread in multiple places - we'll generally see it no matter where it is.

Threads now merged and moved to The Restoration Forum.

H.

Shaun Mastin 15-02-19 22:17

Ok , was wondering why it wasn’t on the other forum

Shaun Mastin 10-03-19 10:31

Thanks for the reply’s ,

Does either one of the tonys have some photos of the whole tray
Thanks

Tony Mathers 18-03-19 10:01

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Originally Posted by Shaun Mastin (Post 259046)
Thanks for the reply’s ,

Does either one of the tonys have some photos of the whole tray
Thanks

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...36&postcount=2

Mine is a workshop tray, but the concept is the same.

Mike Kelly 18-03-19 12:56

Tie downs
 
If your looking for the tie down seen in post #9 marked 4 CM . These were still available new in certain hardware stores back in the 1980s .

Have you tried looking on Aliexpress ? The Chinese still make all sorts of obsolete stuff like those tie downs . I bought some old style canvas fittings on Aliexpress. I only needed three strap eyelets but the bag contained at least 200 !

Tony Mathers 19-03-19 12:09

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Originally Posted by Mike Kelly (Post 259255)
If your looking for the tie down seen in post #9 marked 4 CM . These were still available new in certain hardware stores back in the 1980s .

Have you tried looking on Aliexpress ? The Chinese still make all sorts of obsolete stuff like those tie downs . I bought some old style canvas fittings on Aliexpress. I only needed three strap eyelets but the bag contained at least 200 !

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4-X-CARA...53.m1438.l2649

similiar ones are still available on ebay

Shaun Mastin 13-08-19 12:44

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Originally Posted by Tony Mathers (Post 258300)

Those hooks that go sideways that are 4cm , how many are there on the tray itself


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