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Konstantin Chernov 03-07-22 10:12

Palestinian gun-trucks
 
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Hello.
Please help identify cars.The photos were taken in Palestine, in the late 30s.

Hanno Spoelstra 03-07-22 11:26

Transjordan Frontier Force
 
I believe these are Transjordan Frontier Force vehicles. Either Morris-Commercial or Commer truck, I do not have my references at hand at the moment.

Grant Bowker 03-07-22 14:10

The file name for the first photo might suggest a Saurer truck, but Saurer's radiator crest seems to have been round rather than the winged shape shown in the photos - so I have doubts about this suggestion.

Mike Cecil 03-07-22 17:02

TJFF on the truck side: Trans Jordan Frontier Force.

Odd looking mount with a Vickers MMG, the forward protrusion appears to be for preventing the weapon being depressed too far and shooting up their own vehicle. It corresponds with the rail across the body. Rifles in the rack are SMLE .303 No.1 Mk.3*. All very British.

Hotel Fast .... Fast what? Service??

Mike

Konstantin Chernov 03-07-22 17:21

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 287521)
I believe these are Transjordan Frontier Force vehicles. Either Morris-Commercial or Commer truck, I do not have my references at hand at the moment.

Do you mean one of these two machines ?

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Originally Posted by Grant Bowker (Post 287523)
The file name for the first photo might suggest a Saurer truck, but Saurer's radiator crest seems to have been round rather than the winged shape shown in the photos - so I have doubts about this suggestion.

So they signed the file on the network. I initially did not consider this version.

Hanno Spoelstra 03-07-22 18:18

More on Commer Raider:

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...ider#post76000

http://www.mapleleafup.net/forums/sh...der#post194510

Hanno Spoelstra 03-07-22 19:53

Radiator crest shape
 
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Originally Posted by Grant Bowker (Post 287523)
The file name for the first photo might suggest a Saurer truck, but Saurer's radiator crest seems to have been round rather than the winged shape shown in the photos - so I have doubts about this suggestion.

Indeed. The Commer Raider radiator is quite distinctive:

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Bruce MacMillan 03-07-22 21:00

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil (Post 287524)
Hotel Fast .... Fast what? Service??
Mike

Hotel Fast was a popular hotel in Jerusalem. It was owned by a German fellow who showed his pre-war loyalty.

Mike Cecil 03-07-22 22:54

Fast Exit?
 
Thanks Bruce ... wonder if the flag was replaced come Sept 1939, or did Mr W Fast make an exit back to ze Fatherland worthy of his name??


Mike

Tony Smith 04-07-22 09:19

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Originally Posted by Mike Cecil (Post 287536)
Thanks Bruce ... wonder if the flag was replaced come Sept 1939, or did Mr W Fast make an exit back to ze Fatherland worthy of his name??


Mike

Not only was the flag replaced, but after the owner was "exiled", the Hotel Fast became an Australian R&R facility!! :kangaroo :kangaroo

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/200124

Mike Cecil 05-07-22 16:28

Thank you
 
Thanks Tony, nice find, very informative (we need a 'like' button on posts!)
Mike

Konstantin Chernov 25-08-22 16:02

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It is possible that the unknown car in the photo is Crossley. The front suspension has the same pneumatic cylinders as on the Crossley model IGL3.

Eduard Sorokin 25-09-22 10:41

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Originally Posted by Konstantin Chernov (Post 287519)
Please help identify cars.The photos were taken in Palestine, in the late 30s.

Konstantin, I saw Your request on "Reibert", but I'm not registered there.
These photos were discussed in different places quite often. This is not Crossley or Albion. As a result of those discussions, it turned out, that this is the military version of 1934 Commer "Raider" B30 truck (see Hanno Spoelstra reply above).
The front spring is just a spare spring (obviously, since the vehicle was of civilian origin, some of its parts were weaker, than if the vehicle was originally designed as a military one).

Konstantin Chernov 22-10-22 17:47

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Originally Posted by Eduard Sorokin (Post 288724)
As a result of those discussions, it turned out, that this is the military version of 1934 Commer "Raider" B30 truck (see Hanno Spoelstra reply above).

Here #5 I mentioned the Commer "Raider" B30 (scan page #195). It also talks about the supply of these machines to the Middle East, including the Centaur and LN5 models. Maybe this is one of them? B30 is somehow not very similar.


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