Confussion use of FORD brakes on Chevy
 

Hi Tony

I think the problem you are running into is one that drove me crazy 30 years ago when I started working on my HUP which of course is Chevrolet I could not find front brake or the brake design or parts in any old commercial chevy parts catalog. The reason is simple they are FORD brakes I only discovered this when I cleaned the brakes and found the little FORD logo stamped on the shoes.

It turns out that most if not all the front brakes on 4x4 Chevy CMPs use the FORD design as well as many of the rear brakes being FORD as well. This peculiarity has been discussed before on MLU I'll do a back search and see if I can figure out how to post the links to the past threads.

Cheers Phil

Ah Ha!
 

That might explain why the adjustment set up is exactly the same as a Ford Blitz Phil. Very very interesting, I await your further info with eager anticipation. I'm also told Dodges of the era had a similar set up. I suppose Wagner Lockheed (the brand on the Slave cylinders of this truck) would have supplied brakes for any manufacturer who wanted them. You'll notice in those previous photo's, the manual clarifies the brakes are 'Lockheed type'.

Cman lads, get out the books & manuals and lets find out more!!!

Tony, next time you are over this way we should have a look at the old inter that has the 18 inch wheels to see what it's front axel is and also the ford.

Max

Now there's a thought...
 

Hmmm.... excellent idea Max. Not mention Sponge Cake and numerous cups of tea.

Progress
 

Thanks to Jack Neville for the massive help with the very elusive 18 inch Tyres.

I think youll agree it was well worth the effort to keep the original axle and blast and powder coat the original rims and nuts.

Looks good on those wheels Tony. I am wondering what the two raised bits are on the back of the cab in the bottom half? Are they reinforcing rolls or add on's? Any chance of some photos of the rear of the cab? :thup2:

G'day Cliff
 

Back of cab Cliff as requested....

No idea what those pieces were for. Anyone got any ideas??

Hi Tony,

If Cliff is talking about the two horizontal ribs in the lower back panel of the cab, they look like ribs pressed in to stiffen the panel, possibly to enable a thinner guage steel to be used. Is this cab produced by Holden? Could have been a war economy measure.

Oop's
 

Oh...er... righto, I knew that!!

Good point Richard, I reckon thats what those ribs are there for. It is an Aussie built cab from the air vents.

Still like to know about the fixtures at the back if anyone has any ideas...

Robert, would either of those trucks have the same front axle and brakes I have been describing on this thread?? I am still looking for the Brake shoes.

:doh: sorry Tony, just spotted the struts at the bottom, reckon it is a bit of "bush engineering" as the cab might have been loose on its mounts.

Not sure if you'll find the attached 1940-1943 Holden body-delivery data to be useful, Tony. I don't know what many of those model designations represent.

Hi Tony

You should ring Neil Harris......He has some thing for you !!!!

Kind regards
Matt

Sounds good
 

Matt - that sounds like good news.

I must admit to not having Neils phone number - could you PM it to me or send it via Email??

Riddle finally solved!!!
 

Firstly a massive thank you to Neil Harris who went and found these for me and sent them to me via the Yass intelligence service.
Agents name was Max H. (No wait, that's to obvious. Lets call him M. Hedges)

Neil has done all this for me and has asked for nothing in return. Cant thank you enough Neil. :thup2: :note: :thup2:

It is confirmed...... the brakes on the front of this beast are definitley GMC. Apart from being identical when put next to the original set out the truck, so to is the part no 3822R44.

It leads to further areas of interest which may tell us what was originally on the back. What orders of these Chevy Trucks came to Australia with the heavier front axle and GMC brakes in 30cwt configuration?

A quick guess would be ambulances...... :confused

Can finally proceed with making the thing stop as well as go :drunk:

Thanks also to Matt McMahon for his help. I would have been stuffed without it fella's...

Photo's. Left - Traditional Chev set up. Right - Actual set up on truck, GMC

Fuel Tanker?
 

Tony maybe it was once a fuel tanker. I have seen photos of these on airfields and a vehicle park at the Atherton Tablelands in Queensland along with the same year GMC badged trucks.

Just a thought :)

Hmmm
 

I guess that is a possibility Cliff. Were the fuel tankers 30 cwt?

Be nice if I could jag an ARN through the paint wouldnt it??

The fuel tankers were a mixture of 30cwt and 3 tonners judging by the AWM photos I have. The Atherton Tablelands photos show mainly Fords with the odd Chev. :)

It is nice to see that there are people out there who are not in it for their own personal gain. Neil has been generous to a number of military vehicle collectors. Currently he is a 'lurker' on MLU and hopefully one day he will become an active forum member.

Identify part of rear cros smember
 

G'day Tony,

Great work on the Chevy :thup2:

Could you identify the bit on the cross member that has been circled in the attached photo? The drawbar and cross member look exactly like on my 1940Chevy but I don't have that bit in the circle. Could you take a couple of close ups and post them up please? :)

Kind Regards
Lionel

Extra
 

Do you mean the Lucas " D " tail light ? ? OR the pigtail mounted on either side of chassis. ! !

Sorry Lionel
 

Just been through all my pictures Lionel and I dont have any other shots of that light or of the bracket that it is attatched to.

Although I'm fairly certain that it was a post war thing and that the war lighting went with whatever body was on the back.

Cliff or others may have AWM photo's showing lighting set up though..

Lionel I'll check my image collection for you later today. :thup2:

Thanks
 

G'day Tony,

Thanks for looking.

Kind Regards
Lionel

Thanks
 

G'day Cliff,

Thank you for the offer Cliff, while my truck is mostly complete I am missing all the blackout/convoy lights so some reference photos would be great. That way I know what I am looking for when I go to swap meets in the future.

Kind Regards
Lionel

The light
 

Hello Bob,

Of the two choices you mention it would be the light is the thing I was trying to identify. Thank you.

Kind Regards
Lionel

light
 

The ' D ' light in question was fitted to 48-215 and FJ utes and a lot of British vehicles post war. Several spotted at recent swap meets NEW. Original lights for CMP,s are great for show but if you are going to drive it on plates fit add some extra, even a removable boat bar.

Big Clue
 

I suppose clues dont come much bigger than this. Driving down to Sth Aust for a 40th, on the weekend prior to Corowa. I was stunned to see this parked on the side of the road.

Same Same
 

Exactly the same Chevy, as the one Ive been working on in this thread!!! Restorer assures me that the body is exactly what was on it during the war. He referred to it as a Type 'M'.

Same heavy axle and same brake drum set up. 18 inch wheels and the same flared guards.

How is the Chevrolet?
 

G'day Tony,

I know the Chevrolet is not your favourite marque Tony. Your last message about the Chevrolet was posted on the 19-03-12, at 04:31

However, how is work on the Chevrolet going? It has been quite some time since you posted up about either the Chevrolet or the F15 (01-07-13, 19:27)?

Are they works in progress or works on hold?

Kind Regards
Lionel

Gday Lionel
 

The Chevy project is down the order Im afraid Lionel but it will materialise one of these days..

I have been doing a heap on the F60L but not much is obvious in the trucks appearance.

Same goes for the F15. I might try to put some posts of it up shortly.

Cold wet days and nights and no power to a frightenly disorganised shed make the work a bit more difficult as well.