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maple_leaf_eh 26-02-21 22:32

I learned that machine gunnery is about suppressive fire, not necessarily point of aim. Putting MGs on a carrier might seem exciting to contribute to the fight, but their effect would have been mostly salutary.

The carrier platoons in an Infantry Battalion were for carrying things and not for fighting. There are accounts of carrier charges in the early days after DDay, but most of them seemed to have fizzled with heavy losses. That said, getting a ride into battle is much less tiring than trudging ahead on foot.

Dan Martel 26-02-21 23:04

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Photo I have of an RCR MMG detachment mounted in a carrier from 1954. Post-war, after the MG battalions were converted back to rifle infantry, Vickers MG's were allocated to the rifle battalions and mounted on the carriers in the carrier platoon. The designation 'carrier platoon' and 'MG platoon' were used interchangeably in documents, I've found.


Ed Storey 28-02-21 03:56

MG Armed Universal Carriers
 
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Here is a photo of a M1917A1 .30 cal MG mounted on a Canadian Universal Carrier.

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Davidedwardmawer 24-05-21 14:58

Rifle Brigade Ghent
 
Carriers of 7th Armoured Division's Rifle Brigade had 0.5" fitted - photographed in Ghent (See p56 of Autumn Gale).

Tom Millward 26-05-21 16:03

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Originally Posted by maple_leaf_eh (Post 277071)
I learned that machine gunnery is about suppressive fire, not necessarily point of aim. Putting MGs on a carrier might seem exciting to contribute to the fight, but their effect would have been mostly salutary.

The carrier platoons in an Infantry Battalion were for carrying things and not for fighting. There are accounts of carrier charges in the early days after DDay, but most of them seemed to have fizzled with heavy losses. That said, getting a ride into battle is much less tiring than trudging ahead on foot.

Don't forget that Suppressive fire also is no good unless it's in the right place. A Carrier would have been a great tool for getting your heavy machine guns quickly onto ground where they could have the best effect. In that respect the Carrier is not a great deal different to modern Infantry Fighting Vehicles, just not as capable and doesn't carry infantry, but it does fulfill the mobile fire support role.

Hanno Spoelstra 26-06-22 12:54

Please post photo on carrier page it will answer a few questions
 
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Colin Alford 04-01-23 06:11

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Here are some documents from CMHQ file “1/BROWNING/1” which gives a timeline for Canadian policy regarding the mounting of .30 and .50 cal MGs on Carriers, Cars Lt Recce, and Halftracks.

The documents can be found at this link: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...eel_t17481/310

Colin Alford 04-01-23 06:14

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Some additional documents:

Hanno Spoelstra 04-01-23 19:22

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Originally Posted by Colin Alford (Post 290361)
Here are some documents from CMHQ file “1/BROWNING/1” which gives a timeline for Canadian policy regarding the mounting of .30 and .50 cal MGs on Carriers, Cars Lt Recce, and Halftracks.

Colin, thanks a lot for finding and sharing these documents! They show that the use of the .30 and .50 was much less of an improvised nature that often assumed.

Michael R. 05-01-23 02:20

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Originally Posted by Hanno Spoelstra (Post 290367)
Colin, thanks a lot for finding and sharing these documents! They show that the use of the .30 and .50 was much less of an improvised nature that often assumed.

Good work !

Thank you Colin.

File: 1/Carriers/1/2 may be of interest ?

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Colin Alford 05-01-23 05:17

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Hanno,

My pleasure.

Michael R,

1/Carriers/1/2 can be found here: https://heritage.canadiana.ca/view/o...eel_t17483/178


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