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I did not realise there were multiple Foxes in your photos. I think the Foxes with welded on triangles and thin roof hull were not factory seconds, they were likely pilot models. As with other armoured vehicles, pilots were constructed of mild steel and would be used for component testing and ironing out the last manufacturing details before committing to full scale production using armour plate. The early features are an indicator of them being pilot models. |
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I would agree with you the welded on markings are prototype or pilot, but I can confirm mine at least is made of hard drill bit breaking armour (it had the triangles). My Fox was built in October 1943 at the end of production which makes me wonder how that can be. Is it possible pilots sat at the GM plant and were given data plates at the end so they could be sent to the army? It's a safe bet most of the Fox left in Canada were for training so hard armour, fire suppression, etc. were not that important, though the vehicles would be well marked to indicate that. |
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This photograph of a Sd.Kfz. 7 photographed on parliament hill was e-mailed to me.
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Does anyone know where these two vehicles came from and subsequently ended up?
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Ed, both are in the Canadian War Museum collection.
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Well....in all honesty....at the time in Elliots yard it looked more like a truck than it does now....as it's still a work in progress! |
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that wrecking yard near Niagara Falls was owned by John Horosko who at one time had 2 Fox and 2 Otters. Where they went and a whole lot more of the story from 1984 can be found in the article "History Relived in Canada" (the Gregg Canadian Collection) in Wheels & Tracks #7 pages 8-13. The article can be read here: - edit: link to full issue deleted & replaced by link to copy of article only: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QdS...ew?usp=sharing Reading it again reminds me of the great work that Bart Vanderveen did for the HMV hobby. We are also fortunate on the MLU Forum to have several active contributors from those early days. Brian |
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Brian, nice to see a pdf copy of WT No. 7 posted to the forum, but I believe that doing so is a breach in copyright with ATB Publications who were the publisher and are still in business.
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Would this not be a legitimate exemption as in Sec.29 of the Copyright Act? Copyright Act (R.S.C., 1985, c. C-42) Exceptions Fair Dealing Marginal note:Research, private study, etc. 29 Fair dealing for the purpose of research, private study, education, parody or satire does not infringe copyright. |
Until recently I would have had little sympathy for After The Battle as copyright holders as they were not making the material available for people who wanted to buy access (although the law may be written to permit them to prohibit sharing without them making it available for purchase).
It now appears they are taking steps to publish Wheels And Tracks electronically - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magaz...andtracks.html as well as making an index freely avaialble - https://www.afterthebattle.com/magazine/wandtindex.pdf At 6 GBP per issue the downloads are about twice the original cover price but not out of line with many current magazines. It's nice to see the material being made available for those who missed out the first time around. So far, issues 1-41 seem to be available. https://pocketmags.com/after-the-bat.../specialissues |
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Good points re. copyright infringement and the fact that electronic copies are now available. Neither Brian nor MLU Forum copied and published that issue of Wheels & Tracks, Brian merely provided a link to a site which is hosting a pdf-copy of it.
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One of the nicest finds at the Elliots yard is our F60H, my dad Dirk saw this truck the first time when Barry took him there in '98.
Ever since, Dirk and I got back there every year, and at one point finally got this unique truck out of there. With help from Barry we got the holmes wrecker to go with it. We liked to meet up with the brothers every year and found besides the vehicles many cmp parts as well there in the school busses. I also added a picture of the Stuart M5A1 in the yard, picture from 1998 Good memories on this yard! Stefan Attachment 118911 Attachment 118912 Attachment 118913 Attachment 118915 Attachment 118914 |
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Elliott's yard today on Google streetscape, now Fast Auto Parts & Metals. It remains much as it was (except for the CMPs of course). My Fox came from about where the blue roll off bin is behind the white transport truck through the gate. The office in Stefan's photo is to the right and you had to chat with one or other of the brothers and drink a bad cup of coffee in there first before getting into the back.
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The Elliot Brothers occupied the building directly across the road when I was first there as a young boy. The first time I recall visiting they were fabricating a 15cwt 2B1 box or at least a good portion of it. That building was then utilized by a forklift company if I am not mistaken. The buildings shown in the photos were used for storage at that time. I recall them moving across the road to to the buildings shown when they were starting to "wind down" a little bit but were there for a great number of years as most will know.
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Here are a couple of related pictures..which vehicle is this Bruce? Though it probably doesn't show up well in the scan, there is a double triangle on the front with adata plate in the center. Second photo goes hand in hand with the German halftrack photo. This ME262 was sold for scrap out of Aylmer ontario to a local scrap dealer. Engines had apparently been removed from the aircraft for testing. It was broken up for scrap. (Warbirds International. May 2000).
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The Fox is "THIN ROOF HULL", the Elliott's museum piece. Given the painted hull and unpainted turret the photo dates from a time during their cleanup. The giveaway is the headlight configuration and undersize dummy smoke dischargers. Barely visible is that it has two front axles, the Elliotts used what they had. I spent many hours inside that Fox and it provided invaluable information for my restoration as well as one in England. Here's pics of it on the day it arrived in Salt Lake City and what it looks like today. I swear some of the brown marks on the floor are my blood from scuffs and nicks suffered during my fact finding missions. This is also the Fox that almost killed me and note it STILL doesn't have hinges holding the engine cover on. We just need a current pic of Paul Visser's Fox to see where all three ended up. |
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