Re: T-16E2 in Argentina?
 

More fascinating by the second and I note with personal shame that not only can McSpool speak Dutch, English and most other mainland Euro languages together with fluent Sherman, CMP and T16, but I need to add Spanish to the list now as well. . . . . . .

R.

Re: Re: T-16E2 in Argentina?
 

Well, I have a friend who speaks Spanish quite well...:o

T16 from the UK?
 

T16 pictured near Port-en-Bessin, France, June 1994.
Owner unknown.

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lsm/dhmg/images/mud1b.jpg
Source: http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/lsm/dhmg/mud1s.html

T251143, pictured in Mons, Belgium, 2003 - see AFV BE > Il était une fois le pas de Calais libéré 2003.

H.

Hi friends,

Most likely, if only, several T16s served in the Polish Armed Forces but they were single vehicles.

The only one confirmed episode is the presence of T16s in slightly exotic Polish military structure in France. It was not related to UK-based Polish Government and its Polish Armed Forces with their London HQ. Too long and too complicated to explain it briefly. There was a time in 1944 when Poland had two Governments -- one UK-based (legal); the other one Poland-based (illegal). The T16s belonged to so-called Zgrupowanie Piechoty Polskiej we Francji, or ZPPwF, (The Polish Infantry Group in France) related to Poland-based Government. It was strongly related to French Communistic Party that was tolerated by the Allies and even equipped by them. More or less than 10 T16s served in the ZPPwF. In February 1945 the ZPPwF became the part of the French 1st Army.

Source:
Janusz Magnuski
Wozy bojowe Polskich Si³ Zbrojnych 1940-1946
(The Combat Vehicles of the Polish Armed Forces 1940-1946)
Wydawnictwo Lampart, Warszawa 1998
(Lampart Publishing House, Warsaw 1998)
ISBN 83-86776-39-0

About the author Mr. Janusz Magnuski
http://www.explore-biography.com/sci..._Magnuski.html

Crewman, thank you for this information!

Regards,
Hanno

Re: Re: Re: Re: T16
 

Hey, a WIRE-5 "Gin Palace"!

Hi,

The info literally from today. I received today the brochure-document from London-based Polish Institute and Gen. Sikorsky’s Museum. It is dedicated to logistics system of the Polish 1 Armoured Division (ETO). The brochure informs that the Division used T16s in its quartermaster companies but there is lack of info how many.

Source:
Kronika oddzia³ów zaopatrywania 1. Dywizji Pancernej
(The Chronicle of Quartermaster Companies of the 1st Armoured Division)
Instytut Polski i Muzeum im. gen. Sikorskiego, London 1995
ISBN 0-902508-25-3

And its cover
http://img33.exs.cx/img33/5207/kronika3ur.jpg

Best

C. :)

Re: T-16 at Latrun
 

Better picture of the T16 at Latrun, Israel (source).

Another survivor in Argentina, this T16 is in the Museo del Ejército Argentino.

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data..._abr02_JPG.jpg
Source

Re: T-16E2 in Argentina?
 

Here's a nice side view of a surviving T16E2, clearly showing the details noted above.
It is a real surprise to find a surviving example of a type of vehicle, which according to common belief was not manufactured. Better yet, it is for sale!

H.

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data/796/carrier_2.jpg
source

Another survivor in Argentina, this one is a gate gaurd at Escuadrón de Exploracion Caballería Blindado 1 "Coronel Isidoro Suarez".
Source: http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...ad.php?t=56352

Hanno,
I don't have the pictures entered in my computer yet, but I finally got the six T-16s I bought earlier this summer. This is the last of the group that Southeastern equipment had about 12 years ago. A gentleman bought these just before the rest got scrapped. They are a little rough but definitely restorable. Why don't you come over to sunny Arizona this winter and take one home with you? It's only money! i will try to post some pictures soon.
Rod Shaver

Here's a pic of a survivor located at the Indiana Military History Museum, Vincennes, Indiana, USA.

Is this one of the SECO log skidder conversions?

H.

Source: http://www.pointmanspage.com/gallery/IMHM

Who knows where this T16 survivor is located? I recall seeing photos of it before, I'm pretty sure it is in Canada. But where?

See more pics at http://www.primeportal.net/apc/daryl...ersal_carrier/

Thanks,
Hanno

http://www.surfacezero.com/g503/data...r_16_of_19.jpg

Surprisingly, this "Zimbabwean Bren Carrier" survives in the Gweru Military Museum in Zimbabwe, Africa.

Can anyone tell if/when the T16 was in military service in Zimbabwe?!? Reportedly, the Swiss Army sold 300 T16s to Biafra via a dealer in Toronto in 1965; could it be (some of) these ended up in Zimbabwe?

Thanks,
Hanno

Hanno this looks like the one that is in Fort McLoud AB. A picture was in the Convoy web site

Terry

Yes, that must be the one. Thanks Terry!

H.

Last weekend I visited the "Tanks in Town" event in Mons, Belgium and among the vehicles, was a T16 carrier. Sadly I wasn't able to take any pictures, but this seems like the same carrier:

http://www.tanksintown.be/TIT%202005...20%209%20-.jpg
Source: www.tanksintown.be

On the way back home I visited the "T16" Canadian monument in Eede.

regards,

Alex

The T16 of the Eede-monument in its present condition....

I was quite surprised to see that some of the dashboard and interior fittings were still in place...

surviving T-16s
 

Hanno,
It was good to see you at Beltring this year. I had a great time. It looks like the T-16 in Africa still has all the standard British mods on it. I don't see anything that looks Swiss on it.
Just to let everyone know, all the T-16s I had have been sold.
See Ya, Rod

Re: surviving T-16s
 

Yes Rod, it was good to see you again and chat T16s and other armour! Have you given any further thought to your plan to ship over your T16 for the Arnhem commemorations? Let me know, I'd be glad to help on this side of the pond.

Thanks for IDing that Zimbabwean T16 as being ex-British. Must have come there through SA from stocks supplied by the UK?

H.

Thanks Alex, and yes it is indeed the same carrier. T16 s/n 11644 T103640 lives in Belgium, it can also be seen at Wings & Wheels.

Good to see it repainted! I take it the open top is still welded shut? Pity it still sports that silly "heardboard"...

H.

Yes Hanno. It is still welded shut, the rear completely and the front compartment from about halfway.

It looked like it had been spray-painted (all-over) not too long ago.

Alex

Fred Ropkey's T16: Ropkey Armor Museum, Crawfordville, USA (source).

H.

Though not listed on their inventory, this was T16 pictured by militarymodelling.com at the Wheatcroft Collection:

http://www.mapleleafup.org/forums/at...=&postid=69615

T16 at Eden Camp, UK (pic source).

A T16 found rusting at Hartbeesport zoo in South Africa.

Source: http://www.69dude.co.uk/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=248

One of a few T16's surviving in France at the ASSOCIATION DE SAUVEGARDE DU PATRIMOINE HISTORIQUE MILITAIRE. They have quite an extensive collection of vehicles.

According to the data plate it is s/n 10274 and WD no. T102186-S. For some reason it is marked USA 4074468.