Re: Marmon-Herrington 1 ton
 

Rich, not quite - as it isn't a German conversion, but it helps in finding out the possible sources for the all wheel drive Ford chassis for the German conversion(s). See the Overvalwagen Forum thread Belgian Ford-Marmon-Herrington 91Y armored car for more pictures of the Tracteur Ford/Marmon-Herrington. Could you please e-mail the uncompressed scan?

Thanks!
Hanno

Another pic of a 1940/1941 Ford with German Kübelwagen bodywork. Source: www.afrika-korps.de

H.

Maybe the Germans would bother because they must have captured at least several dozens of 1-ton Ford/Marmon-Herrington chassis/cowls which had not yet been converted when the Germans invaded - see the thread Mystery Fords?

H.

More impressed chassis/cowl Ford trucks? Which were later turned into Umbau-Wagen?

Hmm....

Source: Axis History Forum > Beute- and Umbauwagen

Hi Hanno:

I am reasonably sure those are Ford-MH of the Belgian Persuasion.
Just, as we discussed so many years ago further down in the thread.

In any case, there is pretty much no doubt that in such an almost new condition they surely ended up as some sort of Umbau.

As a side point, you rarely see photos of the Ford-MH BE or the Ford-Daf NL being used on the Russian front. Do you know if there were technical difficulties with these vehicles, spare parts problems or............??

Fords from virtually every country in Europe ended up being used on that front so there was nothing wrong with the basic Ford vehicle itself albeit in more "normal" form. Just curious.

Cheers

Bill

Thread merged into this one.

H.

Another Umbau-wagen: a Ford/Marmon-Herrington chassis / cowl, presumably ex-Belgium, turned into a Kfz.12 (or Kfz.15).

Picture from p. 257 of British Military Trucks in Wehrmacht Service (where it is incorrectly indentified as a left-hand drive WOC-1 8-cwt 4x2 truck).

In the background, another impressed ex-Belgian chassis/cowl Ford M-H truck.

Note the unit insignia - it seems they were used as such.

H.

Attachment 66584

All my references reckon that Ford-Koln built a 3 ton 4x4 truck for the Bundeswehr (must have been about 1956) which was known as the G398 SAM. No idea whether it owed anything to M-H though.

Chris (only a modeller)

Mystery MH umbau
 

Hi All:

The photo below has been sitting on AHF for a while now, begging a positive Id.

It is thought to be a Ford Marmon-Herrington and basically, I agree. But, it seems to be a real "bitser".

1. If we start at the front, the front bumper appears to be a normal one for the 1939 Ford 1 1/2 ton truck.

2. If we then look at the grille/headlamp guard, it gets interesting. the guard looks to be "series production" as opposed to home made. However, it does not match any of the French Contract guards, not the Romanian ones, just nothing but the 1939 style used on prewar US MH trucks and that just does not seem reasonable to be in use by the LW.

3. Looking at the wheels/tyres, after looking at hundreds of combinations, it looks to me like the front wheel/tyre combination is 10:50x16 with a tread pattern seen mostly on the British Fordson Sussex 6x4 series in that size.

4. Moving to the body itself, it looks to me like a vehicle that was either cut down from a chassis/cab unit or perhaps even a New Zealand chassis/open cab variant. The doors are intact up to the point where you can see a "cutoff".
The windscreen is obviously specially constructed.

5. The rear body escapes me for the moment. It looks to be a "series production" body but I cannot place it.

6. The rear wheels are another mystery. Some feel that they are dual rear wheels, others that it is a very narrow replacement rear body that is much narrower than a normal body on this chassis and it has single rear wheels. As dual rear wheels were an option on the 1 1/2 ton MH Ford chassis, I lean in that direction.

So, can any of you MH experts ID this one??

Edit: Sorry, the 3d photo is a Canadian MH but the NZ vehicle looked almost identical.



Bill

Hi Bill,
The third photo is of an Australian MH if I am not mistaken.

regards, Richard

Yes, it is Australian ... actually Colin Anderson's restoration where he attempted to replicate a 'Tractor, Artillery, Aust No.4' (or 4A), which was designed as the LAA tractor. The rear body is one he put together.

Image appears to have been taken at Corowa, in the early years when Col's tractor was still green. That's a much younger Col sitting in the passenger seat with his arm out the window. Don't know who is driving, but Col was always very generous, so it could be any of us!

Mike

Hi Richard:

Snap..............

I guess we are always at the risk of depending to a certain extent on the identifications provided to us on various websites.

That photo,and some others, have been identified as Australian/New Zealand and Canadian at least in terms of the "generic" Ford MH vehicle.

In any case, if you have some ideas, I would love to see them.

Bill

The cab has been cut down from a full cab model and a new screen built. Rear body is missing the nice round Ford mudguards as seen in your second photo which makes it look odd. Wheels are the same as those on a few Hungarian Ford, Ford M/H photos I have as well as normal civilian type wheels. Rear body is narrow but so are those found on DAF made Ford M/H's.

Have I confused the issue enough now :D

Interesting to note that the push bars on the front bumper are actually the door stop from the rear of a No.27 Limber

Belgian Marmon-Herrington
 

Apparently abandoned on the Albert Canal. May 1940

http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/g...ps46bf5e4a.jpg

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Yet two more:

Attachment 73022 Attachment 73023

Source: http://www.acemodel.com.ua/forum/vie...82b684b89fae68

And some more, properly converted into Umbau-wagen:

Attachment 73024 Attachment 73025

Source: http://www.acemodel.com.ua/forum/vie...=asc&start=405

Another Ford/Marmon-Herrington conversion. Seems this command car type body was fitted to a 1939 1.5-ton truck?

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